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Messages - KWKloeber

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For Seakamp talk to Clark (360) 734-2788
p/n - 201027CN

They basically give theirs a rattle can painting that can let corrosion underneath/cause the paint to blister at the hose connections.  It can benefit from a couple coats of high-quality, oil-based enamel, like Rustoleum.  Order a few replacement cover gaskets and they also carry the anodes (if you use zinc.)

Main Message Board / Re: Replacement fuel pump for M25XP
« on: December 04, 2023, 09:50:14 PM »

make sure that your electric fuel pump is plumbed in the fuel line after the Racor filter. That way the fuel pump get filtered fuel and you never have to check the screens on the fuel pump!!

How a diesel mechanic explained the reason for that sequence is -- If the pump is first in line, it can emulsify H2O molecules into the diesel, then they do not get separated in the Racor and can be transmitted to the injectors.  :cry4`

His logic made sense to me! :thumb:

Main Message Board / Re: air intake silencer
« on: December 04, 2023, 09:16:47 PM »
Nice work, it's a work of art Pete.

Main Message Board / Re: air intake silencer
« on: December 03, 2023, 04:27:14 PM »
Ken, are you saying he could NOT just replace the whole “shooting match” with the kit sold by CD for $90?

Can't get to the CD site - so didn't know what you were referring to but originally thought it was the foam prefilter since that's all Pete seems to be missing for a functional unit.

I suppose he could replace his shebang but why, for the sake of a couple dollar foam prefilter?
IIWMB and I was prone to spending boat bucks I'd go with the KN but I don't know how the noise is on that vs the foam silencer.

Main Message Board / Re: Replacement fuel pump for M25XP
« on: December 03, 2023, 03:12:18 PM »
Thanks. I was able to get the first one ordered to Napa. Arrives Monday, so I’ll be hanging out till then. The current one looks pretty old so was probably on last leg. Just crossed the Gulf from Destin to Tampa without issue. Anchored outside Gulfport Marina for now.


Have you checked the screen in the bottom of the pump? possibly it's blocked. 

Main Message Board / Re: air intake silencer
« on: December 03, 2023, 01:19:22 PM »

Understand that Pete retrofitting the assembly with the VW filter cartridge LIKELY (not absolutely) means that both the diameter and height are different than the coffee-can type that assembly takes the stock foam silencer that Stu and Noah speak of.  That is why I said “fitzTheODofTheVWfilter,” instead of “fitzThestockUniversalAssembly,” (ie, what CD and Wb sells.)

I like too ended up getting a suitable foam prefilters from a bid box and good small engine dealers - it's just a matter of taking it in as Ed said and sizing it up.  NAPA seems to have a good line of small engine stuff, tho I'm not sure how much is normally stocked in stores.

Main Message Board / Re: Replacement fuel pump for M25XP
« on: December 02, 2023, 11:25:47 AM »
The Facet models on my list will work but are not the ONLY ones.

The demands of our engines are very forgiving as to the fuel pump and many many Facets Gold series will work - many are 32 gph which is way overkill but doesn’t matter. Min 4-5 psi is fine.

Main Message Board / Re: Motor mounts
« on: December 01, 2023, 02:38:53 PM »
I just asked a C30 owner who replaced his and he said he “torqued them by feel” as he also had no specs to go by.

See also this post,11430.msg92576.html#msg92576

Main Message Board / Re: Motor mounts
« on: December 01, 2023, 10:38:29 AM »
Phil the tranny repair manual is here

Thats the only manual i have. It has some torque specs but i don’t see everything you’re looking for- but I’d think using the listed general torque values (for bolt size/grade) would work. Use locktite as well.

Do you have the number on your plate? Perhaps that’s the problem some have run across - maybe a change in p/n over a production cycle?

Main Message Board / Re: air intake silencer
« on: December 01, 2023, 08:19:54 AM »

Not sure what the cause of the confusion is.  Here's a pic of another m25xp with the same air intake:


I meant OD!! of the VW filter. Mea culpa.

Are you saying that the two parts in this pic fit together?  They sure dont look like it but could be just the angle of the pic. 

In essence you don’t need the “horn” -  put a foam silencer wrap on it that fits the ID OD of your VW filter and you’re good to go.  If you cant find one its easy to make it.  I believe that Ron or someone had described how somewhere on the forum.

This is the replacement for the old take-apart check valve.

Main Message Board / Re: air intake silencer
« on: November 30, 2023, 08:37:47 PM »
Guys : I believe that Pete has an M25XP engine - which first started with the 1987 C34 production!!

A thought

From Pete’s picture it’s an XP not an m-25.  I missed the telltale and it was right in my face <embarrassed>.

[It’s also an early XP because it has the horizontal Hx bracket and the m-25 style bell housing.  Later XPs have a completely different bell housing.]

Main Message Board / Re: air intake silencer
« on: November 28, 2023, 07:25:59 PM »

Now you've got me completely cornfuzed.  I thought you intended to try and salvage the “horn” housing.  As I explained (first post) you have parts of two different assemblies there.  If you're going to use the coffee can then, sure, you can put a hose barb on it — or use the KN hose nipple addspter, or a barb on the manifold.

I suggest that you add the foam silencer/prefilter if you use the coffee can.

The vw one looks odd in that you'd need to route the hose dpwn to the bottom. If you're buying a new assembly (no need to) why not get a KN?

Personally I like the hole/rubber grommet/hose barb elbow

Main Message Board / Re: air intake silencer
« on: November 27, 2023, 07:05:47 PM »

Yep, I missed Pete’s callout on his model but 25 or xp is irrelevant.

He’s not changing to the KN, so that method w/ the add on hose nipple doesn't apply here. 
And that add-on nipple can't be used on his assembly.

He doesn't have the coffee can, so, strictly speaking, the method(s) in my pdf don't apply. 

Pete has the “horn” type assembly which, as I said can be done, but is in my mind more difficult when (just like example I provided) Kubota runs it right to the manifold and he’s removing the manifold anyway.

My comments about the “B” engines (admittedly not clearly made) was that running the breather into a manifold barb is how Kubota does it on some of its current engines — so it's not an off-the-wall idea.   I believe Kb is doing it where the application requires capturing the gunk rather than dumping it to open air (dunno, but it might be due to emissions restrictions as well.)
My point was simply that “good enough for the Kb factory” is good enuf for our older engines and it's easy to do - at least as easy and I'd argue easier than the other methods and can be done with the manifold on the engine.   Drill; tap; screw in a barb; voila’ easy peazy.

The info about the “Bs” was also in there to alert those owners who may read this that there is already a knockout provided for their breather hose (vs Wb’s stupid cut-off, zip-tied-in-place method.)

I suppose with Pete’s type I'd think about a barb right into the side or top of the horn if that's the approach. 

Different ways to skin a “Cat” and the same statement could apply - “absolutely no reason to drill and
 cobb fittings onto the intake assembly” (vs a tapped hole in another location.)

Main Message Board / Re: air intake silencer
« on: November 27, 2023, 12:46:54 PM »
Except that on his xp? he is not using those coffee can or KN assemblies, so those alternate methods (though not impossible) are a tad more persnickety to install (and he said that he'd have the manifold off anyway, although the hose barb can be stalled in situ.)

Direct to the manifold is how it is on some, not all, of the current Kb tractor engines.  Wb just did not spec for Kb to supply that manifold with the hose nipple on it for the breather hose. However, the “B” manifolds DO have the knockout for it.

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