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Messages - KWKloeber

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Main Message Board / Re: Boat Fire
« on: May 23, 2023, 10:57:06 AM »

Was this the Toledo incident? 
Was it confirmed to be a C34?  I heard that it was a 27-foot craft.


Main Message Board / Re: BROKEN WIKI
« on: May 23, 2023, 10:54:14 AM »
Stu the link on the main page is still broken.

is there some way to get this fixed?  Permanently?  I believe it was fixed once before but reverted back to a broken link.  It's just a simple matter of changing the link (of course the Main Page is locked so I cannot do it.)

I remember reading some "folklore" that some people prefer slightly higher temp than Westerbeke's spec of 160-165F, so maybe the PO installed a hotter thermostat.

Folklore?  Diesel engines run more efficiently at higher operating temps.  This is a long-established fact about diesels -- Kubota knows this and its equipment (and others that use Kb engines) run at 180F.  The problem with using an engine on the water that was designed for a farm is mineral deposition in the exhaust train from too-hot salt water.  That's why Universal/Westerbeke replaces the 180F TStat with a 160F TStst.  If in freshwater the TStat should be 180F because the diesel will like it better.

there are isolated cases where MkII owners have not been successful (steam in the exhaust) and those owners went back to the Sherwood G908, which has a wider impeller providing higher throughput

There is ONE instance of that on here, and reading the follow-up investigation the issue was (apparently?) not the pump/seawater flow and the owner has since reinstalled the Ob pump.  Others, including a C34 w/ an M35 in the warm Gulf has no issue with the 202-16 pump.   

Depco is good but sometimes "They ain't all that."  Being located in the south they understand that phrase.  I've had instances where they are less than stellar.  Like returning a serviced pump with the pulley installed backwards.  And handing out very bad information -- like a woman who had to buy expensive (~$250) parts from Westerbeke to install their pump, which was the wrong pump.  Depco is only as good as its people and there has been a lot of turnover.

(at the cost of greater resistance on the crankshaft coupler, which some will tell you horror stories about).

What's a crankshaft coupler and where is it? Can you elaborate on the issue -- and the source of this info?  I've heard of no such problem but if there is I would like to investigate more. 

Main Message Board / Re: Boat Fire
« on: May 23, 2023, 10:27:42 AM »
Was this issue fixed in the MkII?


It depends on what you are referring to.

To this day, Westerbeke/Universal STILL uses RV plugs on its engines and will probably never do away with them.  There are other harness issues not as serious on the current Westerbele/Universal harnesses.

When CTY revised the engine panels in the '80s to eliminate the ammeter it also changed the charging scheme, but the harnesses were not changed significantly and the power to the cockpit panel was not fused. There are thousands of Catalinas out there with dangerous, unfused harnesses. 
This is not new info -- I have ranted about this for years.

When Westerbeke bought Universal Motors and produced the "A" engines (eg, M-25XPA) it
changed the charging and harness schemes.  The harness is fused (circuit breaker) on "A" and "B" engines (eg, m-25XPA, m-25XPB, etc.)

If anyone doesn't know how their harness is run, or what's on it, or if it is fused then they don't know very basic things about their boat and they should before they step foot on the water.

Main Message Board / Re: Sherwood to Oberdorfer
« on: May 23, 2023, 12:41:08 AM »
You can also find/buy the gasket from Catalina Direct for approximately $2.50.

I believe that the CD version is the (inferior) Westerbeke gasket.  The Kb is a better gasket.

BTW, the pump land was also used for (in addition to an hour meter) a hydraulic take-off pump.  The parts manuals depict an OEM flat cover plate (the other uses were Kubota options.);topic=10242.0;attach=9845;image

Main Message Board / Re: Wires on back of cockpit instrument panel
« on: May 23, 2023, 12:28:14 AM »
Did nobody at the factory pull-test these things!?

It was a couple of weeks late but yes, that was a good April Fools'

The panels were purchased from Seaward/Bristol not built at CTY.
Dennis, who built the panels at Seaward, STILL USES non-heat-shrink terminals.  C'mon really?
And the last one that I had in my hands, one of the crimped terminals was loose.

Main Message Board / Re: Universal M25 fuel bleeding?
« on: May 23, 2023, 12:17:11 AM »

Functionally then I can't answer specifically how it works.  All I know is that nothing should ever come out anywhere near that assembly when you open the nut/Knurled Knob.  Somehow it introduces the fuel and air into the injector pump but if you follow the Bleeding 101 steps using the knurled knob and the electric fuel pump you will get all the air out of the system.

Perhaps someone who is more into the guts of the details of this assembly would chime and and explain it to and for us.

Happy to.  The knob and teat on it bleeds the fuel train BEFORE the I.P.
Early M25s had a bleed SCREW, that when opened would need fuel all over the engine if not done carefully.  Later M25s (and XPs) switch to the knob and return the bled fuel to the return line.

I posted many times that (IMO) that is a stupid arrangement because one cannot SEE the fuel that is being bled (foamy? dirty? strong stream? weak stream? what is it?).   
I switched to the knob (from the OEM screw simply for ease) but do not bleed to the tank I just catch the fuel in a cup when I bleed.  Then I know the condition of the fuel.  I've recommended many times that peeps with the Universal setup switch it -- (IMO only) it works better and makes more sense.

It is not a MUST, it is AN IF.

To travel abroad and [if you want her to] be recognized internationally as a registered vessel

The US does not require CDN pleasure vessels to be registered (we call it Documented.)

Main Message Board / Re: Boat Fire
« on: May 22, 2023, 11:53:31 PM »
Even if the engine space gummy bear is eliminated the one behind the panel is oftentimes forgotten about. And even if both gummys are eliminated, oftentimes the harness is forgotten about and so it remains un-fuzed.

 Out of sight = out of mind.  Until she sinks or buns up.


Which TStat do you have?  160F (salt) or 180F (freshwater)?

Per Teleflex troubleshooting (IN THE WIKI), temp gauges are plus/minus 15 degrees.
The temp sender may be going bad.  Check it with a laser temp thermometer
There could be many reasons if the temp is actually high (so you first need to determine the actual temp.)

Main Message Board / Re: Sherwood to Oberdorfer
« on: March 30, 2023, 06:34:03 PM »

 gasket 15296-88130

I'm confused and need guidance as I don't know what gasket to order.

Are there any other gasket, O-rings or fittings needed for a smooth installation.
I see the 90 degree and straight connector recommendation.


I already told you below the gasket that is the best.  15296-88130

Are you saying that a tractor dealer who has never seen our engines knows more than I do about them?  LOL

** I even posted a picture of it **
15296-88130.  Take it to the bank.

Main Message Board / Re: Minwax Polycrylic
« on: March 27, 2023, 08:57:44 AM »

From Minwax:

If the teak oil that was used is a pure teak oil, none of our products would be able to adhere.
If the teak oil has a finish it in, such as a poly, then the surface can be lightly scuffed and either product (Helmsman or Polyacrylic) would work.

**in the past I have applied Minwax Helmsman (helmsperson?) over well aged not recently teak oiled woodwork with no issue.  I have not tried polyacrylic.

definitely clean up and investigate the crack.
What harm will it do -- if the strut is cracked thru then you have "done no harm."

"...copper based materials like brass and bronze, are typically brazed with copper phosphorus silver alloys"

Main Message Board / Re: What to do with hatch boards
« on: March 10, 2023, 03:40:17 PM »
The owners of the J/120 I crewed on had the local canvas person fashion a pocket out of breathable, heavy mesh (instead of Sunbrella) that hung in the sail locker by (IIRC) Commonsense Fasteners. 

The neat thing was that alongside the weatherboards, the gizmo had an attached shallow "tray" of the same mesh that covered the top of the locker.  So it was nice and handy to be able to toss light things in there (gloves, ball cap, glasses) that would be safe yet easily/quickly retrieved.  Nothing critical was stowed underneath that mesh gizmo (wearing PFDs was mandatory by the race club so none were stowed in that locker) but if necessary the gizmo could be unbuttoned and pulled aside to access below it.

Main Message Board / Re: question about funktion
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:08:28 PM »

Hello everyone, can any of you tell me what the function of the small metal tap at the bottom of the water collector (I think your call if muffler) is?

edit: on the right side, the small one


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