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bilge hose and check valves
« on: October 11, 2017, 09:11:12 AM »
I am going to be buying 1 1/8" and 1 1/2" hose for my bilge this weekend.
Pros and cons for the different types please.
Also, is there a definitive, (as definitive gets on a forum with many obviously very independent people), answer as to whether one should use a check valve or vented loop in the case of a bilge system?
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 09:29:05 AM »
I went with the vented loop (under galley sink) this spring.  It has worked well all season.  I will be winterizing soon so I imagine I will just put some antifreeze in the bilge and run it through.  Installation was pretty straight forward (I'm an amatuer).  There is a wiki on it including parts needed but I can't find it.  Here is a post http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,9076.msg65895.html#msg65895

So, i vote for the simplicity and safety of a vented loop.  I use a Rule 3700 and the cheap corrugated Trident 1.5" hose from defender.  Smooth is probably better for flow.
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 11:46:11 AM »
My two cents: corrugated smooth bore, no check valve and no vented loop required with our stern discharge location.
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 01:00:05 PM »
Albie

If it's possible to get a high hose loop close by, then that's the best because backflow is minimal (no check valve.)  I don't have
that possibility, so I use a check valve BUT NOT an inline one on the manual pump -- VERY simple and is a Beckson foot valve on the end of my hose.  From Defender, I believe. 


I wouldn't recommend a CV on the electric pump (but admit that I have one and had no problems whatsoever.)



You can't go wrong with Shields MultiFlex bilge hose, which makes bends easily and is smooth bore and relatively inexpensive.

I would think about using 1-1/2 hose for both and reducing where necessary.  Decrease the velocity head loss in hose and pipe whenever you can.

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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 02:05:31 PM »
 Here are my thoughts:

I'd go for a dripless packing/Gortex, smooth inside bilge pump hose and no check valve !!
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 02:54:40 PM »
My 2 cents-

I used 1 1/8 and 1 1/2" Trident 147 hose for my Rule 1500 and 3700 respectively. They are centrifical pumps so sensitive to back pressure. The hoses have a smooth internal bore and smooth external surface. The smooth external surface works better with hose clamps. I removed all check valves from my bilge system and added vented/anti-siphon loops. The loops reduce run back when the pump shuts off. If you install gear pumps no need to worry about run back.

I have a hard to find write up on my entire project in the Tech WIKI for reference if interested. It's under the category "Leaks" then "Bilge" and titled 1987 MK 1 C34 adding a second bilge pump.
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 03:24:33 PM »
Quote from: Jon W on October 11, 2017, 02:54:40 PM
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I have a hard to find write up on my entire project in the Tech WIKI for reference if interested. It's under the category "Leaks" then "Bilge" and titled 1987 MK 1 C34 adding a second bilge pump.

That'd be:  http://c34.org/wikiwp/?rdp_we_resource=http%3A%2F%2Fc34.org%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3D1987_MK_1_Catalina_34_Adding_A_2nd_Electric_Bilge_Pump
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 03:36:07 PM »
Quote from: Stu Jackson on October 11, 2017, 03:24:33 PM
Quote from: Jon W on October 11, 2017, 02:54:40 PM
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I have a hard to find write up on my entire project in the Tech WIKI for reference if interested. It's under the category "Leaks" then "Bilge" and titled 1987 MK 1 C34 adding a second bilge pump.

That'd be:  http://c34.org/wikiwp/?rdp_we_resource=http%3A%2F%2Fc34.org%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3D1987_MK_1_Catalina_34_Adding_A_2nd_Electric_Bilge_Pump

Thanks again for that detailed contribution, Jon. :clap
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2017, 03:36:33 PM »
Quote from: Jon W on October 11, 2017, 02:54:40 PM

 hard to find
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Jon

How about putting it under Plumbing > Bilge ?
« Last Edit: October 11, 2017, 03:37:07 PM by KWKloeber »
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 09:18:10 PM »
"Bilge" is under the "Leaks" category so put it there. I'd think Bilge would be at the top level like engine, fuel, electrical, galley, head, etc..
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2017, 10:40:45 PM »
Jon

Ya. I hear you.

The top level are what they are, decided long ago. So I try to fit within those as best i can do, using the top most level, asking myself, where would someone else look if trying to locate subject "x"?
Since these are really only links saved on a page anyway, I'll just paste the link into two places if it fits equally well.  Just a suggestion.

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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 07:33:43 AM »
Jon W. Thank you so very much for such a detailed, awesome document.
Incredibly helpful.
Thanks too for all the other contributions.
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 08:45:38 AM »
Great Write Up!!!

We have a 2nd Manual Bilge Pump installed in the undersink locker in the bathroom, my understanding was that the PO had considered taking the boat on a Bermuda race and needed a second manual bilge pump that was accessible from inside a closed cabin.

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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 09:13:28 AM »
Paul- I’d like to see a pic of that install and and how you pump handle.  Must be pretty croweded under there with shower faucet hoses, fuel filters, etc.?
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Re: bilge hose and check valves
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 09:41:30 AM »
It is crowded.
I'll start a new thread when I get some pics - either Friday or Monday.

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