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Lines led aft
« on: June 23, 2022, 01:38:20 PM »

Looking to see what people have done about the inadequate setup in our older mk1 and mk1.5 regarding all the lines led aft. I’m getting a ton of extra load on things like spinnaker halyard and main outhall. Double to triple the load seen at the mast, deck organizer is in a horrible spot and oem fairleads under the traveller makes the lines go up and makes the angles even worse.
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Antoni - Vancouver BC
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2022, 01:42:27 PM »

Catalina yachts came to their senses in the newer C34’s and C355.
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Antoni - Vancouver BC
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2022, 03:26:16 PM »

Antoni : I wrote a Mainsheet Tech Note article w/pictures where I changed the starboard deck organizer to get a 45 degree rather than 90 degree angle of the 3 starboard lines going back to the cockpit.  It helped,

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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2022, 04:07:18 PM »

Yes, there is a lot of friction on the current set-up. I have “lived with it”, without much pain, as I have a roller jib and a roller asymmetrical spinnaker, so I don’t need to hoist those. The only halyard That used to be an issue for me was the main halyard, and I eliminated most of the fraction/strain by installing a Tides Strong track system on the mast for that halyard.
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2022, 07:04:59 PM »

Jib and main halyard are not an issue, both are on a track on the mast, only halyard is the spinnaker halyard. I also have some major friction with the outhall and furling line for the main.

Ron, do you have a picture of your setup?
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2022, 07:40:42 PM »

Logo—I forgot you have in-mast furling. As far as your Spinnaker halyard goes, with your Harken roller set-up I would think you could hoist and drop that with a halyard “living” at the mast?  In any case, it doesn’t need to go up and down quickly does it? Also, Garhauer makes ballbearing sheaves for the deck organizers. Maybe worth replacing sheaves first? It will be interesting to see what Ron did: how he reoriented/relocated the deck organizer—since mine sits on a “pedestal/platform” molded into the deck, with an integral aluminum backing plate.
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2022, 06:42:21 AM »

You’re right, I could leave the halyard at the mast but I’d like the option to drop the halyard in an emergency from the cockpit. The deck organizers are very tired and sheaves have definitely seen better days. Also the pins at the mast collar are frozen in place so I need to do something about that and replace the blocks on those as well. I think I will start there and see how it goes.
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2022, 09:03:19 AM »

I replaced my deck organizers with new "old style" from Garhauer.  The new ones had ball bearing shives.  I haven't found friction to be a problem, except with my worn out main sheet which is pretty stiff and fuzzy (and possibly oversized).

Edit:  I also replaced all the mast base blocks as they were non ball bearing versions.  When I flip the cam cleat for the main it falls completely to the boom and that is with all the stock sail slugs.  I am pleased with how it goes.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2022, 09:05:07 AM by waughoo »
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2022, 09:17:52 AM »

Also replaced both deck organizers with new 3 way Garhauers in the original configuration which has been a big improvement. New blocks at the foot of the mast helped too and I have no problems getting the main up w/o winch most of the time. 

Garhauer makes stacked organizers, so potentially one could run 12 lines aft. The challenge will be finding space for fair leads. You might need to make your own custom ones that could be mounted under the traveler.
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2022, 10:14:23 AM »

Garhauer makes under slung fairleads for our travlers with up to 6 spots but I dont know how one would make use of them due to lack of space to mount clutches.
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2022, 12:38:40 PM »

I’m tempted to cut the traveller mount flush with the deck and instead make a stainless steel version with integrated deck organizer. Essentially doing what Catalina did in the 355’s.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2022, 02:30:26 PM »

Noah : I can't seem to get into the Mainsheet Tech Notes to find my articles, but here is what I did.  I took the 3 sheave B B turning blocks off the Factory pad.  I mounted them on a teak block aft about 2 ft. (from the original location) to give approx. a 45 degree angle from the base of the mast and then straight back to the cockpit.  That teak block is thru bolted (2) thru the overhead cabin deck.  I finished off the inside with a washer, nut & acorn nuts. 

Antoni : I don't have any problem with hoisting my asymmetrical spinnaker, because it's inside a Shute - goes up easily!!  I long ago replaced all 4 of the top of the mast sheaves to B.B. - made alot of difference!1

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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2022, 02:54:32 PM »

Thx Ron. Just filled the old holes on the factory raised fiberglass spot and left it as a landing pad for birds? 8)
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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2022, 03:03:42 PM »

Noah : I just took some short SS bolts + caulk and filled the holes that way.  I suspect that those hole go down to an plate with threaded holes which is embedder in fiberglass - which my not even need filling.  Did the fill with short bolts because the embedded plate just might be Aluminum alloy and that could corrode?

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Re: Lines led aft
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2022, 02:13:39 AM »

Antoni,
I followed Ron's tech note suggestion and added 3-sheave Garhauer deck organisers aft of the originals to get a better angle. My originals were only 2-sheave units and they had actually stopped spinning at all, so there was a little friction involved!

I still haven't removed the old organisers... will get around to it one day, but I'll have to grind them off as the mounting screws are seized.

I also replaced the 2-hole fairleads under the traveller with 3-hole fairleads and replaced a wacky set of old one and two-line rope clutches with a 3-line clutch on each side.

Here's a view of my new organisers (there are now 3 lines on each side):
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