standind rigging replacement

[Gene Regan]

does anyone know where i would find the best pricing for replacement of all standing rigging for 1988 c 34 , and what i should expect to pay.

rig is standard rig
thanks alot
gene regan 713 freedom

gene regan

[barry]

Gene:  Check pricing at www.pyacht.com

[jentine]

Why do you want to replace the rigging?  Is it damaged?  
Jim Kane

[Tweetybd]

Catalina quoted me $615 for new standing rigging for my Mk II.

Jon

[Gene Regan]

Thank you for the replies,
Reason is that this winter layup ,I plan  on having the stick down for install of wiring for mast lite and possible radar install and masthead refirb. and since po to my knowledge, never had stick down ,I thought I would do as much refirb as possible , to include standing rigging & running rigging.
Unless something happens that would make it necessary to sell her, I plan on at my age possibly making her my last boat and would be setting her up for the duration.
I'll report back on my work as it is done and possibly will write it up for the Mainsheet.
thanks again
Gene Regan

gene regan

[jentine]

I had my mast down for the first time last winter and removed all the rigging and had it inspected by an inspection company for cracks in the fittings (magnetic particle inspection) and X-RAYed for internal corrosion.  The total cost was $156.00.  The rigging was found to be in excellent condition and no replacement was necessary.
You may not need new rigging.  New rigging is not an assurance of no problems.  It is just new rigging.  I am more sure of what I have than if I had replaced everything.
Jim Kane

[Gene Regan]

Dear Jim
Where did you have the inspection preformed and what was the turn around time.
Thanks
gene

gene regan

[Stu Jackson]

Standing Rigging Replacement

Gene,

Here are my June 2001 costs:

Rigging         
Backstay material   $454.00       $454.00
Backstay labor   $150.00       $150.00
Build ProFurl   $600.00       $600.00
New forestay   $196.00       $196.00
Sheaves, halyards   $112.50       $112.50
Crane              $200.00       $200.00
Shrouds - material   $1,049.00       $1,049.00
Shrouds - labor   $300.00       $300.00
5/16 Norseman fitting         $40.00
TriPlate         $45.00
Extra labor         $284.55
         
   $3,061.50    $3,061.50    $3,431.05


Excuse the format, it's a cut and paste from a spreadsheet.

We had a new Profurl furling unit installed, along with a new split backstay.  I bought the vang for the split backstay separately direct from Garhauer.

The 15 year old rigging was showing signs of age: banana shapes on some swages.  I wanted piece of mind.  Given recommendations that 7 to 10 years is a reasonable life span for rigging, I figured 15 was pushing it.  Besides, I'd had a harrowing experience with our old C25, where one of the (closed) turnbuckles just disintegrated when the rigger started working!  (1979 rigging replaced in 1985 or 86)

Chuck Hughes, another C34 member (#223) shared his costs with me before I started the work and we were close for the rigging only costs.

At least this should put you in the ballpark with the other responses you've received.

Good luck,

Stu

[Gene Regan]

THANKS STU,
THIS IS VERY HELPFUL AND , I SHARE YOUR CONCERN AS 713 IS 15 YRS AND I'VE ALSO READ RECCOMENDATIONS ON 7 YEAR TIME FRAME AND WONDER HOW MUCH LONGER THEY WILL LAST.
I'LL BE DOING HOOD UPGRADE ON FURLER AND NEW ANCHOR LITE AND TV ANTENNA AND ALSO VHF AND RUNNING RIGGING AS WELL. DO YOU KNOW THE PREFERED BALL BEARING SHEAVE SOURCE AS THEY ARE ALSO ON THE LIST OF THINGS TO DO WHILE STICK IS DOWN.
THANKS TO ALL FOR THE INFO SHARED, I'LL BE LOOKING INTO ALL THE IDEAS
GENE REGAN
713 FREEDOM

gene regan

[Stu Jackson]

Mast Top Sheaves

Gene,

I think Garhauser does.  In fact, whenever I think of Catalinas and sheaves and blocks, I ONLY think Garhauer, and still don't understand why anyone would go anywhere else, for cost and quality.

For your anchor light, you may want to consider a Davis Mega Light.  I installed one.  It uses next to no energy and has a built in diode to turn it off when it gets light outside.

There was quite a discussion about them in the catalinaowners.com site a few months ago, you may want to check it out.  I like ours, some folks claimed they failed prematurely.

With all the wiring you're planning in your mast, just make sure they wire everything inside the conduit so you don't get the dreaded mast slap with loose wires inside.  You may remember my post two years ago.  Check that out carefully yourself before they drop the stick back in.

You may also want to consider saving some of the old rigging and getting some wire rope clamps and keep it on board just in case.  I saved some of the old turnbuckles, too.

Stu

[jentine]

I don't understand the 15 year "rule".  If mag-particle inspection is good enough for the space and aircraft industry (they have a nearly flawless record) why is it not good enough for sailors.  Non-destructive testing of the rigging is far superior approach to the problem of potential rig failure than replacement.  I recently read an article where racer A hooked the backstay of racer B and the entire rod rig came crashing to the deck.
I would have to believe that there was a failure of more than the backstay.  The point being is that the rigging on most professional racing boats is checked and replaced on a regular basis since it endures significant, continuous strain.  If replacement is the key, why was the entire rig (and mast) on the deck?
A prudent individual would opt for the least invasive approach to a problem and solution.  Testing is a tool to be used to determine if a problem exists.  
Stu, had you inspected your rigging with non-destructive methods, the turnbuckle would not have desintegrated in the riggers hand.  Regular (every several years) inspection is strongly recommended and is very cost effective.  A couple of hundred dollars as compared to thirty five hundred is a much more practical investment of time and money.
Jim Kane

[Gene Regan]

Dear Jim
Please can you tell me who did your inspection so i can send them my rigging if it comes down to that.
Thanks
Gene Regan
713 Freedom

gene regan

[Stu Jackson]

Gene

Earlier posts on same subject:

http://c34.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=329609511&f=829605811&m=790609811&r=101609811#101609811

Jim,

You're right about investments and choices.  I simply chose to do what we did, and always had the option of leaving it there after a thorough inspection.  I wasn't quite as knowledgeable about those things when we had the C25 as I am now.  Sometimes boats are like taxes, if you put it off and things are fine, then no problem.  In my case, I was in the position of being able to afford it at the time, and took the opportunity, along with the reasoning included in the older post noted above, i.e., the new roller furling system.  Your point is well taken.

Stu

[Gene Regan]

hi stu,
pe chance do you know the sizes of the sheaves in the mast head, garhauer offers different sizes and i would like to order them.
thanks
gene regan

gene regan

[Gene Regan]

Hi Ron,
Thanks alot I'll do that today
Gene

gene regan