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kable

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Raising engine - Vetus mounts - metal type
« on: July 21, 2022, 08:51:03 PM »

I just purchased Vetus k-75 motor mounts and need to raise my engine height by 10mm for a new transmission.

How does one raise their engine?
Are there metal shims you can purchase or do you have to just make them?

Does anyone know the metal type in the Vetus motor mounts?  I couldn't find a good web site or phone number to inquire directly.
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Re: Raising engine - Vetus mounts - metal type
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2022, 09:00:39 AM »

Found Vetus's phone number: 410-712-0740
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2022, 03:16:08 PM »

Kable : Look in the Mainsheet tech note articles and WiKi .  I first lifted my old engine with a 4:1 boom vang attached to the boom.  You can lift the entire engine with a chain hoist attached to a 4X4 across the open companion way.  You can also have the travel lift come over the boat and their Crain can lift the engine (expensive). There are all kind of ways to lift the engine!!

I also replaced my rear mounts by taking them apart the reassembling them in the engine mount bracket - while the engine just sat there!! 

A few thoughts
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Re: Raising engine - Vetus mounts - metal type
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2022, 10:54:35 PM »

Thanks Ron.

I had read your posts and I am planning on using the 4x4 w/ a come along / harness.  After I am done, the final engine needs to be raised 10mm higher.  Was wondering how people do this.  Someone said wood shims and that doesn't seem right.  I don't see metal shims to purchase so I guess you have these 'made' by someone?  I then assumed they would want to know what type of metal the mounts would be that they are touching.
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Re: Raising engine - Vetus mounts - metal type
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2022, 01:43:12 AM »

Oak would fine, I'd give em a coat of ‘poxy.
Or G-10. 
My personal for boat projects is a cheap hdpe cutting board from wally world.
It might be 1cm or you could belt sand it thinner.  No great need to overthink this.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2022, 09:06:48 AM »

Good to know.
As you can tell, I tend to overthink things (computer engineer not mechanical/handy) ;>)
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2022, 09:29:06 AM »

Kable : You might also consider using 5/4 pressure treated which is 1 inch thick.  It's yellow pine (Hard wood)

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2022, 10:39:37 PM »

Oak would fine, I'd give em a coat of ‘poxy.
Or G-10. 
My personal for boat projects is a cheap hdpe cutting board from wally world.
It might be 1cm or you could belt sand it thinner.  No great need to overthink this.

@Kable

I measured the HDPE that I got from W-Mart (a cutting board) and it is 9.8mm  -- pretty darn close.
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Re: Raising engine - Vetus mounts - metal type
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2022, 03:37:35 PM »

Kable -

I installed the K-75's when I replaced my transmission with a PRM90 and I think I had to raise the engine the same 10mm.  I didn't add any blocks or anything.  There was plenty of adjustability with the studs on top of the mounts.  Maybe I should have added something but my engine just sits a little higher on the mounts now and I've never had any issues.  10 mm isn't that much.

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Re: Raising engine - Vetus mounts - metal type
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2022, 04:29:09 PM »

Mates

Just to clarify maybe a  misconception - the engine doesn’t get “raised” - it wants to sit in exactly the same position (it must, to stay in alignment w/ the prop shaft!) no matter what engine isolator is underneath, holding it and the bell housing UP.  i.e., the isolator gets shimmed, not the engine raised!

The conventional wisdom is that the engine/bell housing mounts (brackets) should sit in the lower half of the isolator stud.  As long as its in that range it’s ok.
There’s the rare possibility of snapping the stud if the torque is applied too high on it.
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Re: Raising engine - Vetus mounts - metal type
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2022, 04:51:05 PM »

KWKloeber,
In my case, changing out the transmission to a ZF12M which has a 10mm output shaft drop from crank, I need to raise my engine 10mm, correct?

But that was already stated, so I am not understanding you post.

If the engine stays in the exact same position, won't it be out of alignment because to get the shaft to attach, it will have to angle down a bit?
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2022, 05:11:30 PM »

Kable

Mea culpa. I misunderstood your application. DUH.
I was referring to just changing isolators that might have a different height, not if a different tranny output shaft is in a higher/lower plane than the original.  You’re absolutely correct the OUTPUT shaft must stay in alignment.   
The comment about where the engine/bell housing brackets should sit on the isolator stud remains valid, no matter.
Apologies for the confusion!
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2022, 08:42:17 PM »

Phew.... I thought I was really off.
(as you can tell, I am in way over my head on this stuff)
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2022, 09:13:28 AM »

kable : It was WAY back (20+ years ago) when I changed my Hurth50 to a Hurth100 transmission.  I remember having to shorten the shaft, but I do NOT recall having to shim up the engine.  The engine essentially stayed in the same place.  The new (longer) transmission just moved closer to the packing gland!!

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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2022, 09:50:41 AM »

Ron
To redeem myself for the prior faux pas about what Kable is doing - the 50 and 100 have the output shafts in the same location, vertically.
(Apparently) the new tranny he’s installing has the output shaft 1cm lower than the Hurth.  Hence the tranny/engine is raised so that the output remains at the same elevation as before.

1cm isn’t a lot so it depends where the new K75s studs sit in relation to the engine/bell housing brackets whether it’s advisable to shim the K75s.  I don’t know offhand the bottom of stud height (above the stringer) on the DF vs. K isolators but that info could be gotten.  Also don’t know where his brackets sat on the DF’s studs. 
To have the engine/tranny brackets hit the lower half of the studs, maybe the K75s should be shimmed 1cm, or maybe more, or maybe less - can’t determine that given the info so far.
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