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mregan

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Just overheated the engine
« on: August 01, 2020, 11:34:30 AM »

Keep the engine key on the engine water intake  alive to remember to open it before starting engine.  Had left the valve open but put the key on it. Came down today, removed key and shut the valve not thinking.  Just got out of the harbor and hear noises crime the engine and smoke. Shut it down. Temp gauge was pegged at 250. Lots of steam coming out of the manifold cap.  Didnít see leaks anywhere else.  Anchored now. Engine back down to 140. Manifold very low so filled with water for now.  Assuming I can get back to the dock, about 10 min motor.  What should I look for when Iím back at the dock?
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2020, 11:50:55 AM »

First thing before re-runnind engine is to check if the impeller is fried, or you will have overheating even if raw water intake is open.
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2020, 12:22:57 PM »

Thanks. Just checked. Couple of teeth broken so replaced.
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2020, 01:21:23 PM »

mre : Look for those broken blades if they are missing!  They are probably down in the exit (exhaust) elbow. 
If you have a tweezers, long nose pliers or forceps you might be able to easily pull them out? 

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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2020, 01:57:37 PM »

Thanks, found them just inside the housing so was able to get them easily. Was able to make it back to thr dock.  Was running at 175*. Little water coming out the back but not getting the big blast of water like normal.  Do I need to add water to thr muffler?
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2020, 02:34:51 PM »

CAVEAT: I am NOT a mechanic. However I say absolutely do NOT add water to muffler. That could give you more serious problems with backflow into engine. Depending on what thermostat you have, 160 or 180, a your reading of 173 may not be bad.  It also depends if you can trust where/how you got that 173 reading. Waterflow through the cooling system is what I would focus on. Perhaps there is another bit of impeller struck somewhere, weed in strainer, or air in the system? Try burping engine and checking coolant levels again.
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2020, 08:53:33 AM »

mregan,

I'll second Noah, don't add water, the muffler will take of itself(how many times can you say that when talking about a boat). I'm not sure why you close the engine intake valve in the first place, I've had my boat for 32 years and the only time I close that valve is to clean the filter or exercise the valve itself, the rest of the time it's open, one less thing to forget.

Concerning your motor, that Universal Diesel is one tough little beast. Over the years I've pegged the temp gauge a few times mainly due to sucking up something in the intake(kelp, plastic bag), if you don't catch it on the gauge you'll see a telltale cloud of steam off the transom telling you it's time to shut off the and fix the problem.

One time singling the boat home from a particularly rough crossing and towing two dinghies I finally made it to the marina approach (and calm water), I started the motor and almost immediately pegged the gauge(it's always something!)In that situation and for reasons of safety I decided not to shut off the motor. I motored in that condition for about 20 min to my slip. Afterwards I checked everything and ran the motor for about 30 min everything was fine, that was hundreds of hours ago, like I said they're tough little bastards.
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2020, 09:59:51 AM »

I agree with Kevin.  I left our slip with a (rare for me) guest.   I forgot.  1/2 nm later I just opened it.  Lucky no broken vanes but never bothered to look 'cuz she pumped right up.

Re: muffler.  Review the raw water flow on your engine, and you'll see why you don't have to.
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2020, 11:52:54 AM »

Will go down tomorrow after work and play around with it.  Will go through the water flow and see if I can figure out what the issue is.  Other than the lack of water coming out, it seemed to be running fine back to port.

I usually close all the seacocks when we go home for the weekend.  Just on the odd chance a hose breaks during the week.  That's why I keep the key on the intake valve.  So I don't forget to open it when I grab the key.  For some reason I had left the valve open last weekend but put the key on it.  Wasn't even thinking and grabbed the key and twisted the value, unfortunately into the closed position.  First time in 11 years. 
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2020, 01:07:08 PM »

Quote

 open it when I grab the key. 


Great plan, poor execution. LOL

Donít worry about that engine, itís tough to kill it unless itís abused continually.

Pull the cap on the Hx to see if there is anything blocking any tubes.

You can pull the supply hose to the Hx (for a short period) to make sure itís producing full flow.
Or at the injection wye.
Or at the vented loop.

This explains the cooling water flow directions (that you should study/remain familiar with as Stu laments re: the muffler water.)
https://groups.io/g/Catalina30/wiki/9626
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2020, 05:03:06 PM »

Guys : I've said this a number of times, but if you overheat and MUST run the engine - turn on the hot water faucets in the galley and head

It will help keep the engine temp somewhat down.  The Water Heater is a heat exchanger!!   :thumb:

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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2020, 05:21:35 AM »

MR,
In the off chance that your exhaust water had already reduced prior to your incident without being noticed, pull the HX input end of the hose from the RW pump. Verify you donít have a calcium/salt buildup just inside nipple. Iíve had that happen a few times, now itís the 1st thing I check when I notice a reduced exhaust flow. Just break it up with a screwdriver if you do see it. You may need a flashlight.

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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2020, 07:27:30 AM »

That's a great idea Ron,

Under the heading of learning something new everyday. Similar to your car, if it overheats you can turn on the heater to increase cooling capacity, although that's not really popular with passengers.
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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2020, 02:18:39 PM »

mre : You asked about possible damage from running the engine with no raw water?
Depending on how long there was no water mixing with the hot engine exhaust to cool it; I'll guess those HOT dry gasses may have warped the fiberglass intake pipe to the muffler!?!   :donno:

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Re: Just overheated the engine
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2020, 05:24:41 PM »

Finally got down to the boat today.  Took off the hose from the pump to the heat x.  There were impeller parts stuck in the hose.  Cleaned that out.  Then took the pump off again and found another impeller fin in the discharge fitting.  Got everything back together then cleaned the bilge which was full of dirty water.   Started the engine, water discharging out.  Wanted it to warm up to see where the temp would land. 
Went back in the cabin and noticed the bilge was filling with water.  Figured one of the hoses had cracked.  Engine hoses seemed fine so looked at the muffler.  The hose from the engine that attached to the muffler was leaking pretty bad.  Was thinking Ron was correct.  Unscrewed the hose.  Felt the fiberglass and it felt solid.  Looked like the hose had loosened and risen up.  Pushed it back down tight to the muffler and tightened the clamp. 
Started the engine back up and no leaks. After 10-15 min the engine had kept steady at 160* so things appear back to normal.

Thanks for everyone's help.
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