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csimmerling

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question about whisker pole
« on: August 10, 2019, 06:06:42 AM »

When I bought my C34 the PO had a Forespar whisker pole stored in chocks on the stanchions. I took it off because it was in the way, and at the time I wasn't ready to learn to use it. Now it's a few years later and I'm thinking it might be useful. However, I don't really know how the PO had deployed it, and unfortunately he had passed away and I bought the boat from his family that didn't know any details. From what I have read, typically a whisker pole is attached to the mast via a car on a track, or at least a ring. I don't see anything on the front of my mast except a cleat just above the deck, and a small unused padeye way up, just under the deck/steaming light fixture.

I've attached a photo of the ends of the whisker pole. Can anyone suggest how the PO might have deployed this, or a resource where I can find out more about using it?  I could attach a ring to the mast, but it seems unlikely to me that he had this on the boat with no way to use it... any advice welcome. During the winter I could install a better system once the mast is down.
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2019, 07:35:09 AM »

     How the PO use this whisker pole is any bodies guess. Typically it's deployed on points downwind to keep the jib deployed in light air. You'll need a mast ring attached to the front mast track to use the whisker pole, waist high depending on your jib is usually a good starting point. Once you've attached the pole to the jib then the mast you can adjust the length of the telescoping pole depending on conditions and point of sail. It's designed to keep the jib open to catch stray puffs in light, fluky conditions.
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2019, 08:49:49 AM »

Best option is to discuss your specific hardware with a rigger you use. My guess based on the photos and without seeing your boat is -

The pole end in your left photo attaches to a ring of some type on the mast. I would think thereís a line for a topping lift stowed somewhere as well.

The pole end in your center photo attaches to the jib sheet with jaws pointed up on the side you want to deploy. The little metal pin with a hole in it is for a line to attach that you would pull to open the jaw to connect the jib sheet to the pole. With the pole connected to the mast, you connect the jib sheet to the pole jaws up with the head sail furled, then unfurl the head sail to set the pole for downwind sailing. Reverse the process to switch tacks. If you need to get the head sail off the pole in a hurry you would also use that line to open the jaw from the safety of the mast to release the jib sheet. With the jaws pointing up the pole can fall away from the jib sheet and the sail luffs.

My whisker pole and rigging stores on a track on the mast. To deploy I only have one end to worry about. I have a fixed length pole not a telescoping one. You can argue it isnít as efficient, but itís simple, woní break, and I donít race.

Hope this helps, Iím sure others will chime in with their thoughts.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2019, 08:54:07 AM by Jon W »
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2019, 09:03:54 AM »

Thanks that helps. There's no ring or track on the mast though...
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2019, 09:10:40 AM »

It may be  ďpossibleĒ that PO used the padeye under the steaming light that you mentioned to attach the pole end to the mast. Hard to conjecture without seeing it in relation to length of the pole and how high your jib clew goes.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2019, 09:12:07 AM by Noah »
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2019, 09:24:33 AM »

I don't think so, the pad eye is small and way up the mast (12 feet?) and out of reach. I wonder if he used this at all - but then why have it in chocks on the boat?
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2019, 09:34:48 AM »

If the pole wonít reach the padeye or the eye is too small to clip the pole end on, than you are probably correct.  Storing pole on the mast is a different problem than deploying it. It is more common to not store it on the mast than to store it on the mast. Although convenient for cruisers, storing pole on the mast takes a longer track and more hardware to adjust up/down and chocks to hold bottom end on mast at rest. It also adds weight higher up on mast.
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2019, 09:36:26 AM »

When I bought the boat the pole was stored in chocks on the stanchions.
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2019, 12:00:22 PM »

Carlos,
Here is a link to some forespar videos.  There's a couple on setting a whisker pole they may help.  My previous boat came with a whisker pole but no mast fittings also  :?

https://www.youtube.com/user/ForesparSailing/videos

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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2019, 12:10:54 PM »

Thanks Jim. Was your pole usable without the mast fittings? I'm ok adding one but now I'm curious if PO just bought it and never used it, or if there's a different way he attached it.
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2019, 12:45:09 PM »

CS

Is this adjustable?  A line control model?
What length?

To use it (whether itís a whisker or spin pole properly (at all?) you need a ring on the mast. No two ways about it.

Is there a bridle on it to attach a pole lift?
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2019, 05:19:31 PM »

Maybe the PO bought the pole at a bargain price intending to rig it at a later date but never got around to it?
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2019, 05:25:08 PM »

Yes that's what I'm starting to suspect. It's big and in the way for something you can't use though... I wouldn't even bring it to the boat until I had the mast set up for it.
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2019, 07:17:30 PM »

Thatís why I had it mounted on a track on the mast with a topping lift, jam cleats, and a chock near the base. Easy up and down. No balancing act trying to attach to the mast while other end slides around on moving deck.
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Re: question about whisker pole
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2019, 09:01:34 AM »

     Carlos,

        Go ahead and set up for your whisker pole, it won't cost that much(not like a spinnaker set up). Take it out and have fun with it, it'll be good experience and you'll probably improve your sailing skills. But unless you race(even casually)you probably won't use it that much. When I'm running downwind in light, fluky conditions and my jib is just flapping around I just roll it up until the wind or point of sail changes, hey if you wanted to get there in a hurry you wouldn't take a sail boat.

         The whisker pole is a great piece of kit but even if you race it's possible to get along without one. Several years ago we used to do a race where only stock boats were eligible, no race gear, no deck sweepers, and no whisker poles. In light air we'd put two guys with push brooms on the foredeck, one at the back and one in the middle holding out the jib, you'd be amazed at how many boat lengths you can pickup.
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