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Main Message Board / Re: Aft berth leak

« on: Today at 05:58:20 PM »

Glenn, looking at the photo which Junaido posted, his boat does not appear to have the removable wood panel on the aft wall of the aft cabin (my '86 Mk I does not have the removable aft wall either).

Good point.

Here's what mine looks like. 

Those two extra studs and nuts in the middle are a not-so-clever idea the PO had:  he put a U bolt through to just in front of the wheel to hook a tether on.  Not planning so well, he ended up drilling right into the damned idler wheel cover!!!

I'm sure that the earliest boats in 1986 had some details that were different than even later boats in that year.  I had the pleasure of being on Al Watson's #55, Kindred Spirit (now owned by Dave Commando), many years ago, and noticed the differences in his companionway stairs from mine.  He also didn't have the overhead handrail over the galley sink and kept hitting his head whenever he was on my boat!   

I also recall reading about different water tanks, although I don't think bladders were ever OEM.  I'll see if I can find my copy of the very first C34 brochures which did show some of the differences.

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Main Message Board / Re: Leak from scupper solution

« on: Today at 02:37:00 PM »

One thought that has come to mind is simply tape it up from the hull side of the hole and then inject epoxy inside the hole itself and let it seep in and set.  I could then re-drill the hole from the hull side.  That's my thought.  Any ideas?

That's one way to do it.  You should be careful to drill so that the lower part of the new hole is as LOW as it can go, or else water level in the little "crevice" inboard will be higher.

Kevin : Most of us have taken a piece of 3/8" clear hose about 3" in length and stuck it in those scupper holes. We did that so the water (especially rain) runs out and not down the sides making dark streaks on the hull!!

If you don't have tight fit, wrap some tape around the outside of the hose.  I believe that the tight fit will seal the inside of the scupper holes and stop your leak!! 

That's another way.  IIRC, I first saw it from the C42 skippers in Mainsheet magazine.

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Main Message Board / Re: Aft berth leak

« on: Today at 02:32:05 PM »

My 1987 has an aft tank behind the bulkhead, but I wasn't sure if the 1986 had a tank there so thought I'd mention the possibility.

FYI - A non water leak thing to check in this same area are the pins for the steering cable pulleys. Are they brass or SST? If brass you should plan to change them to SST. If you haven't already, read through the Critical Upgrades listed on the main page of the Forum. Very helpful list for a new owner.

My '86 does have that aft water tank.

Agree that Critical Upgrades is a necessary read for the new owner of an '86 boat.  That's why we started that topic in the first place.  Thanks for the reminder, Jon.

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Main Message Board / Re: Aft berth leak

« on: Today at 08:48:15 AM »

There may be other sources, too.

From my 2019 Tech Note on cockpit Beckson ports:

Soon after we moved to Canada, and rain (!), I had lunch with Jeff Tancock, #630, Stray Cat, and we went to his boat where he showed me an aft cabin leak that appeared as a trace of water on the aft teak bulkhead.  The end result was a pool of water under the starboard side of the aft cushion.  He explained all the work he’d done to trace it down, including complicated work such as binnacle bedding.  He later reported to me that he’d finally traced the leak to the aft Beckson portlight by putting some plywood over it the next time it rained.  Wouldn’t you know, I ended up with exactly the same leak the following rainy season!  Thanks to Jeff I didn’t have to reinvent the wheel about the possible source.

Not applicable to Mark II boats.

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Main Message Board / Re: Stuffing Box

« on: Yesterday at 10:20:12 AM »

I think Ron meant 120 degrees.

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Main Message Board / Re: Mast ballance point

« on: January 16, 2021, 08:29:55 PM »

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Also, what year was the article posted in?  I started to search through the tech notes to see if i could find it.

This is a good example of a chance to use The Knowledgebase.

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Main Message Board / Re: Stuffing Box

« on: January 16, 2021, 10:55:05 AM »

There is an entire tech wiki page on stuffing boxes, which includes this one:

https://c34.org/wikiwp/?rdp_we_resource=http%3A%2F%2Fc34.org%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DStuffing_box_packing

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Main Message Board / Re: Head plumbing

« on: January 15, 2021, 04:30:27 PM »

Bob, you're certainly right about that.  What with internet and power outages here, I rue the day my son used up the last of the wood! 

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Main Message Board / Re: Sliding Panels

« on: January 15, 2021, 01:18:21 PM »

Came out great, Glenn.  When I look at them I think:  backgammon board!!! 

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Main Message Board / Re: Head plumbing

« on: January 15, 2021, 12:27:59 PM »

Cliff,

When you stop to think bout it, it truly doesn't matter where it goes now.  Really.  Why?  Because the factory plumbing diagrams in the manual are the right way to do it.

Thru hull >>  seacock >> pump inlet >> vented loop >> bowl

I've already given you links to pictures.

Please consider doing it right, just like the toilet manufacturers and Peggie suggest you should.

There is no need to route any hose anywhere else than from the seacock to the toilet pump.

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Main Message Board / Re: Head plumbing

« on: January 15, 2021, 11:36:20 AM »

Steve,
I understood Cliff’s question. On my boat, the vented loop is on the head intake line.  Not sure if it was factory installed or by PO, but it is the only vented loop in the head plumbing, so I suspect factory install.   I understand convention is to place it between the pump and bowl but that is not my setup.  This topic has been debated before, and I recall there were others that had my setup.  It’s worked fine for me for 15 years so I’m good with it 👍.  Since my hull # is close to Cliff’s, I thought he might have the same setup.

Bob, WADR, what you posit (pi !!!:D) goes against the laws of physics. 

Now that I got that little bit o'humor outta the way, could you post a picture of your installation, please?

Because it shouldn't work.

Unless the vent in the loop is clogged.

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Main Message Board / Re: Head plumbing

« on: January 14, 2021, 10:12:48 AM »

Cliff,

Steve is correct in his directions.  The vented loop is between the pump and the bowl, NOT on the intake line.

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Main Message Board / Re: Head plumbing

« on: January 12, 2021, 11:02:33 AM »

Cliff,

I find it unusual that you seem to be having a problem with what is essentially three feet of hose from the thru hull under the head sink to the toilet.

Here's where to look:

1.  The manual shows the plumbing as it was originally designed.

2.  These two links show photos of the TWO ENDS of that hose:

Head Replacement 101 - Installation of PHII Head  http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,3797.0.html

Head Odors 101.1 - "T" into sink drain:  http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5755.msg38216.html#msg38216


If you have trouble seeing the entire length of the hose, get a mirror and a flashlight.


Good luck.

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Main Message Board / Re: We lost Guido at Garhauer...

« on: January 11, 2021, 12:33:18 PM »

Super human being, great loss.

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Main Message Board / Re: Water in the bilge while on the hard

« on: January 10, 2021, 06:22:32 PM »

Michael,

Welcome, great to see you here.

Keel stepped masts let water in.

You might want to spend some time on the old archived Projects & FAQ pages, which cover a LOT of the basics.

--  Original Webpage FAQs:  http://www.c34.org/faq-pages/faq.html

--  Original Webpage Projects:  http://www.c34.org/projects/projects.html