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The new mast and boom are finally done.  Everything was changed from the mast step to the antenna including all standing rigging from cotter pin to cotter pin.  A couple of small hiccups but everything is finally done.  One shroud was too short, and the sail slugs had to be changed.  The sail was finished last night and will be going up today with the first shake down and mast tuning over the weekend.  The backstay was kept in the original configuration and not changed to the full dual setup, (they forgot) this may be for the best.  The new setup looks great and I looking forward to seeing if the boat feels the same. 

The dual vs split backstay was for a couple of reasons.  I found the split stay was a pain when putting the mast up.  I needed to use a halyard to pull mast back to get the threads to start on the aft turnbuckles.  I wanted to move the stays as far out board as a could to avoid the bumping into them.  The split only allowed for a short area for the backstay adjuster to move, vs a longer area for the dual stays.  The splitting triangle added a bunch of fittings and pins that are not needed.  The failure of the single stay was not really a concern.  Yes Fred, I also support my davits with a lighter wire to the mast head.   The mast head was still wrapped in packaging when I saw it last week so I need to figure that this week.  Lots of little things will change with the new setup.

New mast, boom and all rigging has arrived and is being is being assembled his week.  I am open to thoughts or suggestions if anyone had ideas of how they would rig their mast if they could start from scratch. 

We have already changed to dual backstay instead of the split.  Added led lights under the spreader and all nav lights.  All cleats will be upgraded clutches.  All wire terminals are mechanical fittings. 

Thanks in advance.

C34 association members, if you remember my old post my mast was damaged when the boat next to me fell and hit the spreader.  The impact resulted in a slight depression where the spreader mounts to the mast.  The mast was condemned and because the exact extrusion is not longer available the entire rig was replaced from masthead to step including boom, rigging, and all hardware.  Aside from being a total PIA the entire rig is brand new.  I think the total bill is just over 50K if you were wondering.

Now I have an mast assembly including boom and all hardware that was removed.  The extrusion and the spreader mount is of no use.  My wife and I are still debating if we want a 45 foot flag pole on our front yard! 

If you need any parts let me know.   

Tom, every time we pull a fitting that goes through or into the cored deck we drill oversize and fill with thicker epoxy.  Then drill again and replace boot or screw in the sealed deck.  I created a map of the deck so I would remember and over about three years we did them all.  It was over 200 holes

Wanted to update you on the mast replacement.  After more inspection and part sourcing it appears the entire rig from the mast head to the deck step will be replaced including the boom, and standing ringing.  It is not practical or cost effective to try and reuse some of the old with new.  Because the new extrusion is slightly different then the old one it has created compatibility problems from top to bottom. 

The new mast will be a complete sparcraft package including all the standing ringing left left long with mechanical end fittings that we can install once we step the new mast.  Because the rigging attachment points, spreader size, mast step thickness, and  backstay setup are all slightly different it will need to have the final work completed on the boat. 

On the positive note it looks like the only parts that will be reused are my running rigging and wind instruments.  Another Positve is we are able to set up the layout of everything exactly to my preference. 

It looks like 4-6 weeks to get the rig and another week to assemble and rig.  Total cost for labour, rig, shipping, and a bunch of little incidentals is 39K. 

As we are looking to move into a larger Catalina the boat will be going up for sale when when its all boat back together!  Lucky owner will have a great new setup. 

We have replacement value insurance on all parts up to 100k.  So if they want to write the boat off I will be happy to drive to their office and pick up the cheque.  I would put the boat value around 85k (Canadian dollars).  That's not what I really want because it's a great boat and I can't replace it with what I have on it for the 100k they would give me. 

A complete mast(minus running rigging), spreaders, deck step. all standing rigging and boom is coming in around 18-22K.  I need to speak with adjuster regarding boom because my old one is fine but compatibility wil be a problem.  I have no interest in some special made mounts to make mine work.  I suspect the yard cost will be another 4k to step and unstep mast, install lights, instruments, spin pole track, line clutches, cleats, boom bang, radar, antenna, etc etc....  It's amazing how much stuff is on the mast. 

I predict 30k when it's done.  If the adjuster gives me grief in the new boom I may offer up some labour to install all the external stuff on mast then it's where I want it and saves them a at least day of yard costs.  The boom is 3k so I suspect between that and the cost o have any special mounts made we can work it out.  With any luck I can get back the entire rig and take it to the scrap yard, I bet it's worth at least $500 in scrap. 

Interestingly my insurance company insured both boats.  They have made it clear they will be looking to recoup costs from the marina (his insurance).  Not really my concern, but the good thing is it's the other guy paying the deductible.  Starting to get quotes back, mast and rigging is going to exceeds 20k by the time I get it here.  Plus significant labour cost to finish standing rigging, deck step, wiring, lights, etc.  Everthing needs to be triple checked and measured.  If anything is wrong you can't really send it back. Dad time is & weeks plus shipping.

Hi Jim, I did and am still.  2k difference in mast and then a new main.  Once I have all the final pricing and options I will decide.  We were about to list the boat when this happened as we are looking at the C42.  Not sure I want o spend the extra money if I won't be the one sailing the boat.  Obviously I need to wait to list until i get everything back together.  I am confident it will as good if not better then prior to the mast getting hit. But it's tough to list if with damaged mast. 

After further research it was confirmed the original mast was made by forespar and is no longer available.  We are working with Sparcraft on a replacement.  It's amazing how much is involved now that we can not get a direct replacement for the extrusion.  Starting from the deck step to the mast head everything needs to measured and triple checked.  All standing rigging will need to engineered on the boat as the lengths are not exactly know.  We have started to list everything from top to bottom to ensure we don't miss anything.  Once the mast leaves the factory it will be a problem to change later.  We are still trying to figure out if we can reuse the boom. The repair costs are going to well exceed 20k. 

I will document the process in writing and pics for the next poor soul who gets unlucky. 

The positive thing we are going to have an awesome flag pole in out front yard!

This is an additional thread from my previous one titled rigging got hit.  After inspection yesterday it appears the mast will be condemned.  I put out several call today to start the process of the mast replacement so I know my options when I discuss with marina and insurance company.  Seems that no one is sure who built the mast.  Charleston spar did confirm it was not theirs when I sent pic and they believed it was a forspar and that profile is no longer available.  UGGG!!  I spoke with the factory today and they are getting back to me.

Does anyone have any suggestions to determine the spar manufacturer and where to get one.  The factory did say the believed a new seldon package ( read very expensive) from a 355 would fit if I changed the mast base and the standing rigging.  Sails would be a little small for it though.

Hi fred, we are at bayport now, james is looking after us and I expect things to work out.  I think they were hauling the boat this afternoon and putting placing us right beside the office for the winter.  I left after the mast was down.  It was a nice day to bring the boat down.  No traffic out there at all this time of year, never even saw a bird on the way down. 

The mast came down today and it's not good news.  The upper shroud had several broken strands, the forward lower had broken stands.  It looks like the broken stands were cased by the jagged part of the broken mast from digging into the shrouds after the neighbouring mast broke.  The much bigger issue is the broken spreader mount, bent spreader and the 2 inch depression in the mast from where the spreader got pushed hard against it.  The spreader was pushed down and back by the other mast.  I suspect the mast and all standing rigging will be condemned.  It appears the load placed on the boat was not that much, but it was twisting of the the fragile spreader that caused the major damage.  The boat had to be put back in the water and brought to a different marina to have the work done.   Total PIA after it was put away for the winter.  Very glad I did it and did not wait to spring as suggested by the marina I was at who said they "checked" things over and everything looked ok.  When we loosened the port shroud the remains of the spreader bracket fell on the deck.  I am very curious to see how the insurance company deals with everything.  The have been good so far, but the bill just went up 10X today.

The boat is not at a Parkbridge marine.  It's a private marine in penetanguishine.  My boat did not fall, the rigging (maybe mast) got hit by the mast of the falling boat.  I plan in having a third party inspect the boat.  I will sort out who pays later.  My number now priority is to ensure everything that is may be damaged is fixed.

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The boat next to me fell over yesterday shortly after the marina placed it on the stands.  I was down below working when it happened.  The mast of the fallen boat hit my outer shroud as it fell.  The impact ripped the spreader off the other mast and his outer shroud broke.  His mast snapped at the spreader.   Fortunately everything that fell hit the other boat and deck and hull were not damaged.  The broken mast remained pressed hard against my forward lower and outer.  The tension on the shrouds were very high.  I had to leave it and the boat was being lifted off mine today.  Aside from a rig inspection can anyone suggest what i should be looking for to check for damage.