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Title: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Ron Hill on October 26, 2017, 09:20:35 AM
Incase you missed it  and are interested, "Northern Tool + Equipment" has the Honda 2000W on sale for $899.99.
My flyer also has a $20 off coupon with any $100 purchase!!
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: mark_53 on October 26, 2017, 10:46:43 AM
Incase you missed it  and are interested, "Northern Tool + Equipment" has the Honda 2000W on sale for $899.99.
My flyer also has a $20 off coupon with any $100 purchase!!

Honda has a great reputation but does anyone have an opinion on the HF 2000 Watt super quiet inverter generator? At $429, HF spec sheet compares favorable but of course right.  It's 2db louder and the engine is 18cc smaller but it holds .25 gallon more fuel than the Honda.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: lazybone on October 26, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
I limit my purchases from HF to lumps of metal with with less than two moving parts.  I like their hammers.

My Honda 2000 always starts no matter how much I ignore its maintenance.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Ron Hill on October 26, 2017, 01:34:04 PM
The Honda engine is great and very relivable.
 
I limit my Harbor Freight buys to tools that I plan on using only once or maybe twice!!  They have a quality problem!!

My thought
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: KWKloeber on October 26, 2017, 02:54:56 PM
Incase you missed it  and are interested, "Northern Tool + Equipment" has the Honda 2000W on sale for $899.99.
My flyer also has a $20 off coupon with any $100 purchase!!

Honda has a great reputation but does anyone have an opinion on the HF 2000 Watt super quiet inverter generator? At $429, HF spec sheet compares favorable but of course right.  It's 2db louder and the engine is 18cc smaller but it holds .25 gallon more fuel than the Honda.

Sometimes great stuff from Hammer Fright, sometimes fails.  If it's complicated or has moving parts, get the extended warranty.  Anything with bearings, wheels, casters, or any other rolling type part be sure to try it in the store,  Three hand trucks or moving dollies side by side - one will run off to the left, one to the right, one straight.  If there's a fourth it may not have wheels on it.

k
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: britinusa on October 26, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
Our Honda 2000i Generator is a trooper! Love it!

Paul
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Jim Hardesty on October 27, 2017, 04:14:47 AM
Thanks for letting us know about the sale Ron.  I've not felt the need for a generator, but next season the plan is to cruise the North Channel of Lake Huron.  A generator would be nice.  But still not sure if it's worth the loss of storage and extra gasoline storage.  So I have a few questions that haven't been answered in my search of the site.

Will the Honda 2000 fit in the cockpit locker of a MKll?  The 1000?  Other storage/running options for a MKll?

Will the Honda 1000 run the micowave?

Has anyone used the propane option?  If so what is the fuel usage?

Any information on using a Honda generator especially on a MKll.

I know that some or all of this has been addressed before.  But before buying something that would, for me, be more trouble than it's worth I wanted to ask more direct questions.
Thanks,
Jim

Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: mainesail on October 27, 2017, 04:26:17 AM
does anyone have an opinion on the HF 2000 Watt super quiet inverter generator? At $429, HF spec sheet compares favorable but of course right.  It's 2db louder and the engine is 18cc smaller but it holds .25 gallon more fuel than the Honda.

Don't focus on the specs or price and do your homework figuring out where you will get it serviced and repaired and where you can find parts for it first. The total cost of the unit can only be determined by its reliability and ability to be repaired. Hell just last weekend we had a $23.00 air hose from HFT cost us $92.00 in real/total cost!!!

Our neighbor up at our ski place bought a HFT generator last fall. The first storm it ran fine, I was actually a bit surprised, but it was noticeably louder, or put more aptly, made a LOT more irritating tone, than our Honda EU2K that we keep up there. His generator shed is about 300' away, though thick woods, and we could hear his generator over ours very easily. At first I was feeling a bit like we overpaid for the Honda. We loose power at the mountain quite a bit, as our place is pretty remote. When we lose power it sometimes is a day to two before we get it back. On four occasions, last winter alone, we lost power for more than 8 hours at a stretch.

In late Jan, during a big storm, our neighbor came knocking. His HFT generator was dead. He'd used it four times for a total of about 25 hours. We only use the Honda to power the fridge and LED lighting so I lent him 150' of 10GA extension cord and he added about 200' of his own and he had power for his fridge too. Both of us can or do heat with wood so the load on our generators is pretty minimal.

The last time I spoke with him he had spent months trying to find a place to repair his HFT generator.

-Tried HFT support line, and the store manager, and they were of zero help, also would not take it back. Said HFT actually lists engine parts but can't get them or does not actually stock them.

-Did research and discovered it was a Honda knock off engine so called every Honda parts and equipment dealer only to be told "we can't repair that". Finally one dealer explained to him that they are not allowed to work on any Chonda engines or they risk losing their Honda dealer status. Can't blame Honda for being upset that the Chinese have copied and stolen their designs..

-Tried every small engine shop he could find. No one said they could get parts nor were any of them willing to even work on it (without even looking at it they told him flat out no). They only guy who was willing said he could take a look at the carb but if any gaskets failed while opening it he was doubtful he could get a replacement.

-Finally found a shop in CT reportedly able to repair his HFT generator. Drove from Northern Maine to CT, dropped it off, drove home, drove back to CT to pick it up (that's a lot of gas $$$ in a Ford F-250) only to find out the part that broke was a valve spring. Repair guy could not get parts for the HFT/Predator engine so substituted a valve spring from another "Chonda" (Honda knock off) and called it good (Honda valve spring was a larger gauge). 

-Ran the generator for perhaps another 5 hours and it quit again.

In late September I noticed he had a new Generac..... For what he paid for the HFT, the trip to CT, all his time, and then the Generac purchase he could have simply bought a Honda in the first place and saved a few hundred. FWIW in the 15-16 or so years I've owned an EU2000 it has never needed a single repair. While it will not produce its rated 1600W, before over heating, it is close and depending upon outdoor temp it can do 1525W to about 1560W continuously. Not bad for an early model..

Last weekend my brother and I were up North trimming out the bunk house we built for the kids. I had grabbed an HFT air hose, for the camp, to keep costs down. How bad can an air hose be, right? Wrong! The POS air hose failed at the ferrule in the middle of the project.. Because of the remote location of the cabin, and lack of retail locations such as a Home Depot or ACE Harware etc., and our calendars and lack of time available to dedicate for work weekends, the least expensive air hose we could find, a Bostich. It was $69.00!!!!! If we add the cost of the replacement hose bought under duress to the HFT we get $69.00 + $23.00 = $92.00 actual air hose cost. Stung again by HFT! D'oh......

This "cost saving" $23.00 Harbor Freight air hose was used two times before it failed at the paper thin ferrule. Not such a cost savings....
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Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 27, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
     Jim,

       You can measure your locker and check the dimensions on the Honda web site, but I don't think either the 1000 or the 2000 will fit in that locker upright and I don't think you want to store either on it's side. When I'm on the moorings in Catalina I see a lot of Honda's little red generators, they're very popular, but mostly the owners take the generator up to the bow to run them.
       If you want a generator to run your micro check the spec plate on the micro it will tell you how many watts you need to run it which will tell you how big a generator you need.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Mick Laver on October 27, 2017, 08:02:24 AM
Jim,
The  2000i fits perfectly in the cockpit locker on a Mk II.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Jack Hutteball on October 27, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Jim, I have a Honda 1000 that I use on our MK ll.  Does not take up that much space in the lazaret and it will power our microwave.  My only regret is that it will not power the water heater, so we use a solar water heater when we are on the hook.
Jack
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 29, 2017, 07:59:19 AM
     Jack,

       When you say solar water heater, are you talking about a sun shower(the water bag w/ a hose and nozzle you lay on the deck to heat then hang to use)? If so you might want to consider a tankless water heater, it runs on CNG or propane and will give you all the hot water you want.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: bayates on October 29, 2017, 08:11:51 PM
Jim,

I have my 2000 in a plastic bin in the port locker on my MKII. It fit perfect with adapters in same bin.  Still lots of extra space in the locker.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Noah on October 29, 2017, 08:27:28 PM
Brian- what do you use your generator for? Please donít say ďfor electricityĒ. :abd:
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 30, 2017, 07:43:56 AM
    Noah,

    What can't you use it for; hair dryer, curling iron, TV, power tools, and most important---charging your batteries. I've been thinking about adding a 2000 mainly as an alternate power source. But on the Mk I it'll probably have to go on the port side of the aft lazeret.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: lazybone on October 30, 2017, 10:47:40 AM
And big pot of coffee and Air Conditioning.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Noah on October 30, 2017, 11:16:34 AM
I understand using it for A/C, but not usually needed here in SoCal, thatís why I wondered what Brian used his for. I charge my batteries with the main engine and very occasionally use my inverter if I need A/C power underway. My tools are all lithium battery models. Looking into solar and wind for extended cruising but not sure I want another gas powered machine to lug around besides my outboard? Maybe?
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 30, 2017, 11:24:46 AM
   Noah,

     That's why I'm still in the considering phase, at this point for me it would be more of an emergency back up unit.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Jim Hardesty on October 30, 2017, 12:47:00 PM
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That's why I'm still in the considering phase

Me too.  I can do with out hair dryer, curling irons and definitely TV.  Maybe if it will run the AC for a couple of hours in the evening, but I'd be surprised if it could.  I may buy one to see how much it gets used.  Just need to be persuaded.
Jim
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: britinusa on October 30, 2017, 01:57:41 PM
We use our Honda 2000i for our AC, works a charm.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Ron Hill on October 30, 2017, 02:34:00 PM
Guys : When you set in the same anchorage for a 2nd or 3rd day - that's when the Honda is nice.

If you are always on the move and running the engine then you don't need it. 
However, if you hit those days when the wind is just right and you only use the engine to pull out and/or set the anchor it's nice to turn on the Honda and keep the batteries from going under 50% charge!!

A thought
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 30, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
     Ron,

       Can't you just run the motor at anchor to keep the batteries charged?
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: patrice on October 30, 2017, 03:24:07 PM
HI,

I understand that everyone needs are different.
But on the boat, I try to not use equipment requiring electricity.  Help to relax.

Have solar panel that keep batteries full, and frigo running all summer.

One thing to consider, is that noise travel easy and clear on the water.  Your neighbors at ancor might not enjoy your gen.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Fred Koehlmann on October 30, 2017, 03:51:38 PM
I second Patrice's comment. The first year we had our boat we had to run the engine to top off the batteries when we anchored. Typically once in the morning and again at dinner time, for about an hour or so. We found it noisy and didn't like disturbing the neighbours (if any were anchored in the vicinity). So when we looked around for a solution, I did look at one of the Honda 2000s and did like the fact that I could easily get shore power. However now things were going to be even noisier and I was also going to have to carry another fuel onboard (we row our dinghy). So, I looked at solar as a solution, but at the time mounting it was going to be an effort and delay our sailing time. We opted for a fuel cell trickle charger called eFOY (the Comfort 210). I mounted it forward in the port cockpit locker (C34 MKII), exhausted the CO2 exhaust into the cockpit and captured the distilled water into a bottle for topping up the batteries. It did what a solar panel would do but on cloudy days and during the night. It would only come on when it sensed the house batteries were low. It was not a generator and could not give loads of juice all at once, as some may be looking for, but it would silently maintain the battery.

On our new boat, we did install an arch which will do double duty as davits and mounting point for four solar panels. After all the sun is free and silent.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 30, 2017, 03:52:15 PM
       Considerate neighbors are a good thing.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 30, 2017, 03:56:24 PM
    Fred,

      The sun is free but not the equipment required to harness it
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Ken Juul on October 30, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
My 2 cents.  As a Navy pilot I was around jet engines for 20+ years.  So my hearing isn't the best.  But I have been in plenty of anchorages either running my 2000i or neighbors running theirs.  In most anchorages, stereos make more noise.  Running the engine is more efficient, 55 amps or more if upgraded.  Most battery chargers are 20 or 30amps.  But the engine heats up the cabin, in the humid east coast don't want to do that.  2 fridges, lights, music, TV, inverter, etc.  We were energy hogs.  Need to keep the batteries charged.  In the last 15 years have  never had a complaint about running the Honda.  Depends on the installation, but wiring the sea water pump on so it can be turned on first, turning the fan on, then turning on the AC compressor.  The 2000i ran a 16K btu unit.  Carry gas for the outboard, more for the Honda, not a big thing.  I stored mine under the cockpit table, just the two of us, still plenty of sitting room.  Hate fumes, the cockpit locker and lazerette all have openings into the cabin.  Solar and wind are probably a better option, but the added weight to the stern and the cost made the Honda the best choice for us.  YBYC
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 30, 2017, 07:32:46 PM
      In Avalon harbor the harbor dept. use to have a rule that you couldn't run your generator before 7am and not after 10pm. Nowadays generators have gotten so quiet they don't even bother to enforce the rule I'm not even sure the rule is still in place. I usually run my motor mid morning, when most people are up and out and about, to charge my batteries.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Paulus on October 31, 2017, 04:52:26 AM
Why not go with a solar panel?  The flexible panel weights about 3 lbs.   My panels is on top of the bimini.  There are pics on the this sight. This is the beginning of my 5th year and I leave the panels on all winter.  We have sat at anchor for 6 days without starting the motor.  The cost will be about the same as a Honda generator.  I did carry my Honda the first year but did not use it.  Sold it after the first year. 
Paul
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on October 31, 2017, 07:31:06 AM
    Solar panels are another good option. What I like best about solar panels is no moving parts.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Ken Juul on October 31, 2017, 07:49:22 AM
Solar is becoming a viable option. Prices are coming down and styles of panels are constantly improving.  10 years ago did not have all the options available today.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: bayates on October 31, 2017, 08:43:51 AM
Noah,

We use it to top off the batteries.  Ran it once in 8 days as the 200W of solar keep up pretty well. Adding another 100 watt panel in next few weeks. With the new freezer and reefer plus day to day use age should be close to actual usage to recovery.

We do use it to heat water once in a while but we are used to heating water on stove for washing and take shower on shore if available of heat what is needed. I looked at the tankless hw heaters but where do you hang it so not to touch anything, how do you plumb it to feed the water.

Once the next panel is installed I hope the EU2000 is just backup or used during overcast days if too many.

P.S I finished the windlass install and works great.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: chuck53 on October 31, 2017, 09:22:49 AM
Just an FYI, my dock neighbor has a 16k BTU A-C unit and he runs it on his Honda 2000.  I never would have thought a 2000 would run that large of an AC, but it does.  I even tried it on my 16k unit and it worked like a charm.  When I first turned on the compressor, the Honda bogged down for just a moment or two and then came right back up and ran my unit fine.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Jim Hardesty on October 31, 2017, 03:04:34 PM
Well.....I ordered one.  Also comes with a $50 gift card.  But, need to join the "advantage" plan for $40 for free shipping.  Still a good deal.  I think.
Jim
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Ron Hill on October 31, 2017, 04:15:18 PM
Kevin : You are right, you can run your $9,000 engine at anchor to charge the batteries or run the $900 Honda  - Your choice!! 

A thought
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Noah on October 31, 2017, 04:24:26 PM
Hmmm? Interesting argument, Ron. However, my diesel engine doesnít get run enough as is...
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: scgunner on November 01, 2017, 08:17:21 AM
      You're right Ron, it's my choice and for 29 years it's worked out pretty well. I'm guessing if Catalina didn't want you using the motor to charge the batteries they wouldn't have setup the boat that way.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Jim Hardesty on November 01, 2017, 09:33:30 AM
I've thought a neat thing would be a PTO shaft off the transmission to drive a gen-set.  That makes a lot more sense to me than most larger boats that have two engines one to drive the boat and one for electric.  And it wouldn't take up much space.  Maybe do like some cars have done and run with only some of the cylinders.
Just one of my pipe dreams.
Jim
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Ron Hill on November 01, 2017, 03:01:32 PM
Kevin : Catalina made the MKI C34 with it's stock alternator and 2 Gp24 batteries - just sufficient for day sailing with out a fridge  -  and/or going from marina to marina.
 
Any real thought of longer cruising with a fridge requires some big electrical upgrades $$.

Your choice on how you use the boat

Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Rortega46 on November 01, 2017, 06:19:32 PM
Being in the Deep South, I wonder about using a EU 2000 to run the air conditioner.  Does anyone do this?  If so, is a soft start device required?
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: J_Sail on November 01, 2017, 11:40:25 PM
Running an AC is addressed earlier in the thread. Yes, folks have successfully done so.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: mark_53 on November 02, 2017, 09:10:59 AM
Kevin : You are right, you can run your $9,000 engine at anchor to charge the batteries or run the $900 Honda  - Your choice!! 

A thought
I suppose a lot depends on where you sail.  Here in the NW air conditioning is not needed so no need for that much AC current when at anchor which IMO is the only reason to have a generator.  I would rather upgrade my alternator and use my $9000 engine to save $900 and dealing with storage, gas, noise and weight of a Honda generator.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Rortega46 on November 02, 2017, 09:54:56 AM
For those of you running your AC, microwave,  coffee pot, etc., how do you connect your EU 2000? Is it simply a matter of using a shore power cord to the C34 shore power inlet and pigtail adapter (to male 15A 125V from female 30A 125V) into the generatorís output?
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Ron Hill on November 02, 2017, 02:35:01 PM
Randy : Yes, I use an electric #8 gage 6' flat wire extension cord into a 30amp adapter that plugs into the boats shore power plug.  Then all of the boats AC plugs and the Boats' Battery charger are activated.

I set the Honda on a wide garden kneeling pad that takes up any vibration and the Honda is a "hell of a lot quieter' inside than the boat engine for charging. The 1000 burns a minimal amount of fuel and doesn't heat up the main cabin!!
With a smart charger you only need to run the Honda about 30 to 45 minutes which is about the same amount of time it would take with boat engine.

A few thoughts
Title: Recall: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: KWKloeber on May 11, 2019, 12:37:27 PM
Note this info on a Honda genset recall due to fuel leaks.

https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/45_5/mailport/Sailing-Navlight-Alert-Honda-Genset-Recall_12595-1.html?ET=practicalsailor:e40105:119702a:&st=email&s=p_Waypoints051119

-k
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Roland Gendreau on May 16, 2019, 07:42:50 PM
When cruising, we run the engine an hour or so a day to replenish usage by refrigeration and smaller loads.  Using a generator would seem marginally better, but having to store gasoline for it outweighs the benefit. We already store fuel for our lightweight 2 stroke outboard. I don't want change her out for a 4 stroke.

Solar panels on the bimini seems like a good alternative, and it is on my projects to do list.





Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: britinusa on May 19, 2019, 10:02:07 AM
Another vote for the Honda EU200i ours is 4 years old.

It runs our AC unit with ease, but add any other load and it's good night (overload) and the generator overload kicks off. If we screw up and, eg. turn on the battery charger, then it will shut down. I simply nip out to the cockpit (I'm most likely in the cool of the cabin even here in SoFla) turn the Generator off briefly, turning it back on before it comes to a stop, so no need to pull the starter again. Power is restored. Coolness returns.

We keep 5 Gallons of Ethanol Free fuel in a covered gas can on the side rail. We also have a 1gallon filler tank can. We fill the 1gal from the 5 gal as it's easier to fill the Honda and our Merc 4hp outboard using the 1 gal tank rather than trying it from the 5 gal tank.

Paul
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Brad Young on May 21, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
We like our Honda 2000. I guess it really depends on what type of sailing /cruising you do.  We are currently cruising in the sea of Cortez. We are on DarBay about  6-8 months a year. You just never know when or where you may need it.
1) we lost our fresh water pump(on the engine) on the way from San Degio to Cabo. Could not run the engine to run the alternator. We were able to keep going using the Honda to charge the batteries , hot water for showers.
2) this year we lost our exhaust riser. . It took about 6 weeks to get it back running. Because of the Honda we were able to stay out in the Anchorage ( for free ) instead of a $700 dollar a month slip.
3) ours does not fit in the port locker. We place ours just in front of the binnacle. I had a binnacle cover made to cover it.
4)we have run  an AC unit with it. I think itís 9000btu 
5)we have run a heat gun, water heator, Cruise RO 20 gal per hour water maker , hair clippers.
6) itís also our backup to our inverter/ charger it that dies.
7) At first I was afraid of the noise at a quiet anchorage. But soon found out that everyone is running a generator or engine.
8) Wait until you get downwind of someone running his Diesel engine. Not a good smell
9) well worth the money.
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: Brad Young on May 21, 2019, 11:38:51 AM


It runs our AC unit with ease, but add any other load and it's good night (overload) and the generator overload kicks off. If we screw up and, eg. turn on the battery charger, then it will shut down. I simply nip out to the cockpit (I'm most likely in the cool of the cabin even here in SoFla) turn the Generator off briefly, turning it back on before it comes to a stop, so no need to pull the starter again. Power is restored. Coolness returns.




Paul
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Paul Iím going to try this trick. I always just shut it down and restarted
Title: Re: Honda 2000W Gen Set
Post by: KWKloeber on May 21, 2019, 11:47:56 AM
Dang.
That means you have to actually sleep in skivvies?