I have a 2001 34, new to me. At anchor, routing the rode on the roller to deck cleat binds the rode across a stansion. Doesn't seem right. Should rode go from roller to cleat in the anchor locker? Is best to take rode off the roller and route rode direct to the deck cleat?
Pat : The anchor rode should go from the anchor up thru the bow roller and then secured to the cleat in the anchor well.
A thought
I've got 4 cleats at my bow. One on each side (port/starboard), one in the middle and one in the anchor locker. I use the middle cleat for the anchor rode when it's deployed and the cleat in the anchor locker when the anchor is up and stored on the roller.
Why do you have/need the middle cleat on deck? It seems to me like it would just be any extra annoyance to trip on.
What about the locker cleat to secure the bitter end and the middle cleat to adjust the length of rode out?
I find the mid cleat indispensable. Many have added two bow cleats. One skipper unfortunately removed the center cleat before asking. :cry4`
Quote from: Noah on June 12, 2017, 07:24:33 AM
Why do you have/need the middle cleat on deck? It seems to me like it would just be any extra annoyance to trip on.
I use the middle cleat for anchoring and the port/starboard cleats for docking.
Pat : Once again let me remind owners that they need to state the production year of their C34 e.g.
1. The factory configuration of the 1986-1988 C34s have a center cleat and no side cleats with a double door anchor well.
2. The factory configuration of the 1989 and subsequent C34s have No center cleat, but 2 side cleats, a single door anchor well and a cleat inside the aft wall of the anchor well.
Please state your production year if you want a meaningful answer!!
A thought
Quote from: Ron Hill on June 12, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Pat : Once again let me remind owners that they need to state the production year of their C34 e.g.
He did, Ron: 2001 C34.
And yes, you're right about the configurations. We might also mention the differences with our older boats having the "toy" bow rollers vs. the extended rollers on later boats.
Pat : Sorry about that!! You don't have a center cleat unless you want to install one. Your boat was meant to use the cleat in the anchor well.
The factory production 1986 thru 1988 also had 2 "small anchor rollers" that were attached on each side to the bow stem fitting.
Then in 1989 and subsequent production the factory changed to an extended single bow roller on the starboard side to accommodate the windless (if one was installed).
RTFQ Ron, Thanks Stu. A few thoughts
mkII models have two cleats for dock lines on deck, and a cleat inside the anchor locker where you would cleat the rode at anchor.
Thanks everyone!
This is a move up from a '86 Caliber 28. Loved that boat, but falling in love with my 2001 C34! Perfect weekend live aboard for Flathead Lake MT. The boat was launched here when new. Thanks very much to Patriot's prior owners for taking suck great care of her!
Quote from: Patriot on June 12, 2017, 07:24:41 PM
Thanks very much to Patriot's prior owners for taking suck great care of her!
So, he took care or not ??? :rolling
Sorry. Fat fingers. Yes. They took SUCH Great care, and had little time to enjoy it. We are fortunate to be the next caretakers of Patriot.
Are there aftermarket extended bow rollers to replace the factory fit '86 model? I am being told by my dock neighbors that I could do with a 33lb anchor and that I should consider a windlass.
I noticed that most boats in the marina keep their anchors in the bow roller rather than the locker.
Is there a general upgrade path for anchors?
Here is an extension:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/2489_751/anchor-roller-long-brc-28-c-30-c-310-c-320-c-34-c-36.cfm
I have no personal experience with it so do not considered me linking to it as a personal endorsement. To my eye it has always looked a tad flimsy but that is just from viewing it from afar.
As for an upgrade path for anchors that is tricky as it all depends on where when and how you will be anchoring. I run a Danforth and a Bruce and have never felt I was under equipped. That said, the Rocna or Manson Supremes seem to be the latest and greatest and they have excellent reputations. They seem to set far more reliably, quicker and more securely then other designs. If I hadn't picked up the Bruce second hand from someone here on the board, I would have gone with one of those as my second anchor.
You can see a Rocna on a Mk1 C34 here: http://kb.rocna.com/kb/Catalina_34
As for a windlass, to me all the added complexity makes it seem not worth it. But ask me again in ten years and I may very well have changed my tune. The extra limitation emplaced on me by knee and shoulder issues may make a windlass seem like a very good idea indeed.
Braxton : Look in the Mainsheet tech note and you'll find my article on how I installed a Windline "Narrow Anchor Roller" on my 1988 C34.
Also I did it for a "hell of a lot less than " $199 !!!!!!!!!
A few thoughts
Quote from: Sophie on June 13, 2017, 09:55:38 AM
1. Are there aftermarket extended bow rollers to replace the factory fit '86 model?
2. I am being told by my dock neighbors that I could do with a 33lb anchor and that I should consider a windlass.
3. I noticed that most boats in the marina keep their anchors in the bow roller rather than the locker.
4. Is there a general upgrade path for anchors?
1. Yes, as previously mentioned. However, there are those of us who have done substantial research and have determined that the original bow rollers have distinct advantages. You don't neede to buy anything or add something to your boat: cost = ZERO. The OEM bow rollers do NOT impart a large "moment arm" (engineering-speak --- think BIG lever, on the bow of the boat. Big new Rona anchors DO fit on the OEM rollers.
2. Until you tell us what YOUR anchoring and sailing plans are - and where you plan to sail, we would be remiss to mention anything to you. Unless you have shared those plans with your dock neighbors, if you haven't they are all blowing hot air.
3. Yes, that is the best pace for it. If you "need" it quickly, it is the ONLY proper place for it.
4. You could start by telling us what you do have. Basic answer is no, because of #2 above.
We know you're new here, so there are a few links you should read first and then get back to us here, and we can help you more specifically. Go to the 101 Topics and read the bunch of links on anchoring first. Happy reading. :D :D :D
Sophie- i suggest, with all due respect, that slow your roll--as my daughter would say. Since you said you weren't planning on sailing for a year, best wait until you get the feel for the boat before you buy too many "accessories" or equipment. Go sailing for awhile and then you will better understand what you need for your particular needs and goals.
Quote from: Ron Hill on June 13, 2017, 02:39:02 PM
Braxton : Look in the Mainsheet tech note and you'll find my article on how I installed a Windline "Narrow Anchor Roller" on my 1988 C34.
May 1995
The 33 lb with 30ft of chain has worked very well for me. We get 30-50 nt winds occasionally. The windlass is a back saver! Don't know sources, but my several friends with your vintage boat all have rollers and leave the anchor on it.
Hi,
I have the extended roller on our 89 Cat.
Ancor is always on the roller, but I flip it sideways, the hook around the base of the rollerfurler.
Being on a mooring ball, otherwise the ancor rub against the lines.
We changed the original maybe 20" long roller on this 1996 Mark 2 with a 30" roller direct from Garhauer. I store a 15kg Rocna on the roller and needed the additional length to keep the sharp tip from destroying the gel coat below the rub rail. The rode is never run over the roller from straight down from one of the bow cleats. The system works so far.
I was asking about changing out the bow roller because of what I had seen walking around the docks and because a dock neighbor laughed at the anchor that came with the boat purchase!
I have been making my list of things to repair and replace in the future. I will be cruising up and down the Pacific Coast and around Monterey Bay. Does that help narrow down the anchor choice?
Anyway, seeing that big Rocna on original bow rollers and reading reviews, it seems that might be the way I will go if it is a good choice for the terrain.