Q1: I'm very far from "into the Mystic." What is the diameter of the pedestal guard tube?
Q: Any ideas on how to buy/create a Garmin 741 mount that will both rotate AND move around the Pedestal guard tubing from vertical side to the center of the rounded top? Haven't found one online...
Thanks, Kerk
Kirk : The pedestal guard for the steering station is one inch.
If you look in the Mainsheet tech notes, I wrote an article w/picture on how I mounted a Garmin Map Plotter on that guard with a rail clamp.
Great articles in those Mainsheet tech notes!!
A thought
Thanks, Ron. I tried to see your 2009 article but each time I went to the site it didn't let me in, with the popup "The user name or password you entered for c34.org:80 was incorrect. Make sure you're entering them correctly, and then try again." The user name and password I used for Tech notes is the same I use to get into the main login. Top left says " Hello kerk fisher. I wrote to the treasurer (figuring he dealt with membership) and haven't heard a reply.. Can you help? I'd love to see your article.d Thanks, Kerk
Hi Kerk,
To access the Tech Notes you need to be a member of the C34 International Association. There is a separate login for the Tech Notes vs this forum. It's explained in the "sticky threads" at the top of the forum menu. If you're a member, of the C34IA, I'm sure the Secretary can remind you of your password. If not, I highly recommend joining. It's inexpensive and the quarterly Mainsheet magazine is professionally produced, informative and interesting. A rare excellent value in the sailing world! :clap
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?topic=4782.0 (http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?topic=4782.0)
Maybe we'll see you in the North Channel this summer.
Quote from: kerk fisher on May 29, 2017, 01:57:02 AM
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Kerk, that's because, as Dave notes, it is not.
Look at the first sticky on the forum and get in touch with me by email.
Stu
Thanks to all. Ron, the article was helpful. Dave and Kathy, keep your eyes open for us and we'll listen for you on the Cruisers net. Thanks Stu. Kerk
I just mounted a Garmin 74V on the pedestal. I wanted it low so it wouldn't block forward view as I already have an instrument box just above compass, also as I put it on top of the compass, it was swinging the compass. So I located it just in front of the wheel, probably about 2 oclock, RH side. I can rest my hand on the wheel and hit the buttons outside of the wheel. I used all standard 1" sst tube parts except for 1/4" aluminum plate, an opening tee - hinges open to get on vertical pedestal tube, horizontal tube to 1" sst elbow, vertical tube to a stantion base to have the 1/4" plate to sit on. Then the Garmin bracket gets bolted to that. If you are interested and I can figure out how to attach a picture, I will
Here's how (http://www.sailingeximius.com/2015/09/getting-some-wind-part-2.html)I installed our GPS 741xs on Eximius.
I've been looking at mounting options for my B&G install quite extensively. I too wanted to be able to swivel the chartplotter to face the cockpit as we sit there quite often when the autopilot is engaged.
Here's some options to consider that might be just what you are looking for.
Scanstrut RL-RM - FIXED RAIL MOUNT (https://scanstrut.com/products/off-road/rokk/rl-rm-rokk-body-detail)
(https://scanstrut.com/media/mod_virtuemart_magicslideshow/magictoolbox_cache/8c95d73fec130487c102a73bf1ab42ce/3/8/388/thumb962x480/3909564110/Rokk-Rail-Mount-(side).jpg)
(https://scanstrut.com/images/technical-specifications/Rokk---Rail-Mount.jpg)
I'm not sure if this is the correct "top plate" for your plotter but I think it is...
Scanstrut RL-507 ROKK 'TOP PLATE' (https://scanstrut.com/products/marine/rokk/rl-507-rokk-top-plate-detail)
(https://scanstrut.com/media/mod_virtuemart_magicslideshow/magictoolbox_cache/8c95d73fec130487c102a73bf1ab42ce/3/9/396/thumb962x480/1184098348/ROKK-Top-Plate-RL-507---Garmin-GPS-Map-700-f.jpg)
I ended up going with this...
Scanstrut RL-ARM - ADJUSTABLE RAIL MOUNT (https://scanstrut.com/products/off-road/rokk/rl-arm-rokk-body-detail)
(https://scanstrut.com/media/mod_virtuemart_magicslideshow/magictoolbox_cache/8c95d73fec130487c102a73bf1ab42ce/3/8/387/thumb962x480/323025078/Rokk-Adjustable-Rail-Mount-(front).jpg)
I chose this thinking that mounting slightly to the side would be my preferred spot. However, I think I might be leaning towards Maine Sail's mounting option and forget about having having chartplotter swivel to face forward. I'll try out what I've got for a while before making my decision to change though.
Maine Sail's beautiful mounting option that I'm considering...
Chart Plotter Mount For Edson Pedestals (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/plotter_mount_edson&page=1)
(http://m7.i.pbase.com/g9/84/622984/3/154202257.myz9ki0P.jpg)
Russ' mounting option clearly shows that he maintained access to the top of the binnacle handrail (by raising the rail, or however he did it).
I repeat that maintaining access to that handrail is absolutely necessary for your safety in the cockpit. I have seen altogether too many installations using, for example, the fixed rail mounts, that cover the top of the handrail. It is dangerous to NOT be able to grab that rail. Unless, of course, you only stay at the dock. :clap
Yup, I agree that you would still want a good handhold accessible! That was one of the reasons I went with the articulating adjustable mount. Many mounting options with that mount in various configurations. I'm just not happy with any of them that I've tried yet. With the chartplotter directly on top of the pedestal I think it blocks too much forward view while sitting down. With the chartplotter on the side makes walking past difficult. That's why I'm thinking about Maine Sail's approach. I do have a 9" display so it takes up a little more horizontal space than the Garmin 741.
The "fixed rail mount" I mentioned does somewhat limit the handhold, however, it does not completely block access. With the articulating adjustable mount I'm able to get the chartplotter pretty much in the same location as the fixed rail mount. I could still easily grab the guard rail on either side. This picture I found online shows this to some degree.
(https://scanstrutblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/spr-7-rm-clamp.jpg)
Top mounting on the guard looks like a bad way to go. Bad handhold and a potential for damage/injury.
See my set-up in thread below. Another way to go
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,8542.msg60294.html#msg60294
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Noah definitely has the gold standard instrumentation layout in my opinion. Mine is less ideal (and less expensive) but very workable for me.
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,8186.msg57349.html#msg57349 (http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,8186.msg57349.html#msg57349).
See reply 19. I can swivel the display to see it while seated behind or in front of the wheel on the stbd side. When I'm sitting on the port coming, the view is partially obstructed but this is a good tradeoff for me.
I agree with Noah that mounting the display on top of the pedestal guard is not ideal. One of my friends has a beautiful new Raymarine chart plotter mounted on top of his pedestal guard and every time I visit his boat, my natural tendency is to reach for the top of the guard when entering the cockpit. I haven't broken his mount yet and I hope to keep it that way! :|
Similar to Scanstrut, I've used Ram Mounts successfully. I have one ball mount by instrument panel (w wiring) and one at pedestal (w wiring routed up pedestal tube and out of bottom instruments) and a holder for a Garman charplotter. So typically, I just leave the device connected inside at the instrument table unless I need above deck navigation (rarely) in which case I bring above and connect to the ball/wiring at the pedestal. I also have a ram mount for ipad & iphone near instrument table (that wifis into my VHF/autopilot.)
http://www.rammount.com/device/gpsboat/garmin?cascade[model]=GPSMAP+741#wizard
http://www.rammount.com/part/RAP-404U
http://www.rammount.com/part/RAM-231U
Kurt
Kurt beat me to it, but an alternative to a permanent install at the helm is to have your chart plotter mounted at the Nav Station, and use a tablet or Ipad/laptop for the cockpit. When cruising with an autopilot you most likely won't be at the wheel that often (which is why people want to be able to rotate it), and plotting your course in the cabin out of the elements should be more comfortable.
I have a Samsung 10.1" tablet as a portable chartplotter that I connect via WIFI to the Nav station. I'm using RAM mounts at the helm and under the dodger. Battery life needs to be watched, so am thinking of adding a cockpit 12V outlet to address this.
So far this setup has worked out fine. The photos I've attached don't due the tablet visiblity justice, but in bright So Cal sun I can see the tablet display clearly whether at the helm position or under the dodger position.
FWIW I have had no less than three customers mount hardwired plotters atop a pedestal guard so they can spin it, usually against my advice, only to have them ripped out by the roots, broken or destroyed when crew or a line snagged them. The top of the guard is meant as a hand hold... It you want a rotatable plotter I'd suggest using a iPad or android as a a helm display repeate" or redundant plotter. Try to keep any mounts keep it below the curve of the guard hand hold & try not to place it in the way of crew reaching to break a fall by using the pedestal guard.. I suppose the good news is one customer, who would not take no for an answer, is getting a new Raymarine in a few weeks and I get to bill the job all over again only this time all the hard work has been done. He's still putting it back in the same spot... (grin)
Another two customers mounted pods that rotatet and never kept track of the "wind up" and ripped plugs out of plotters by the roots. "Hmm this thing is getting tough to turn, I'll just force it. Oh $hit!"Both plotters were ruined and had to be sent back for factory repair.
When installing plotters always imagine you are in rough seas and now imagine you are falling and where you will reach to break a fall first.. Bingo! 8 times out of 10, when you're in the cockpit, it's the pedestal guard is what you'll reach for...
My problem is sticking ANYTHING that you don't need to (NO LESS SHOULDN'T BE) looking at 100% of the time SMACK DAB in middle of the helm person's line of sight.
Why don't we stick a GPS smack in the middle of your windshield line of sight? Well, passing vehicles at interstate highway speed, I've seen some BOZOs come very close to that.
kk
Quote from: KWKloeber on June 08, 2017, 03:21:53 PM
My problem is sticking ANYTHING that you don't need to (NO LESS SHOULDN'T BE) looking at 100% of the time SMACK DAB in middle of the helm person's line of sight.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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So true:
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4232.msg24252.html#msg24252 (http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4232.msg24252.html#msg24252)
One of my mantras is to "avoid being a slave behind the wheel."
By using the "ball" type RAM mounts, when the tablet is moved to under the dodger only the ball remains as seen in the attached photo. The ball on the pedastal is angled slightly toward the wheel.
Jon- I am thinking, in a good seaway, you will grow to hate that ball on the top of the angle guard.
Only one way to find out, but that is the beauty of this mount. Loosen two nuts and rotate it to a different spot, or put it somewhere else. No holes or wires to worry about. Maybe put overhead on the Bimini (when I get one).
Here's an idea for you
Thanks for all these fabulous suggestions. I hope these ideas have been helpful for others as well. Kerk
All : I made my Garmin Chart Plotter clamp on to the pedestal guard with a simple 1" rail clamp and a cigarette lighter plug for 12v power.
I found this handy so I could remover the unit from the steering station and take it below to program a route at my leisure! Also to secure it below when in the slip and not in use!!
A thought