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General Activities => Main Message Board => Topic started by: MarcZ on April 07, 2017, 09:40:17 AM

Title: Isolation Transformer
Post by: MarcZ on April 07, 2017, 09:40:17 AM
I'm contemplating adding Isolation Transformer while upgrading to Smart-plug , and looking for advice / suggestions on location , brand etc. (pic would be great)

I found one from  Charles Marine Iso-G2 3.6 kVA  size ~ 10" x 10" x 10"

Thanks,
Marc

Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: mark_53 on April 07, 2017, 09:57:05 AM
Marc: 
I have an isolation transformer that is located on a lower shelf in the port side wet locker. I believe it's a Charles. Seems to work fine. I've been using it for about 3 years. Came with the boat.
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: MarcZ on April 07, 2017, 11:21:11 AM
Does it get hot ? how about noise level  ?

Thank you,
Marc
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: mark_53 on April 07, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
It doesn't get hot.  Noise is a slight hum but not disturbing at all.
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: J_Sail on April 07, 2017, 11:04:19 PM
Not to distract from an excellent question, but have you considered the cheaper alternative of a galvanic isolator? I don't have personal experience, but galvanic isolators have greatly improved over the years, with new "fail-safe" models leading the way, and are cheaper/smaller/lighter than transformers and are silent. The Iso G-2 weighs 60 lbs, while a 30A galvanic isolator weighs under 3 lbs (and is about 1/4 the size).

I have heard from two reliable/expert sources that the DEI fail-safe galvanic isolators are of superb quality.

That said, a galvanic isolator does not protect against quite as many scenarios as an isolation transformer, so there are good reasons to go either way.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: MarcZ on April 12, 2017, 12:58:51 PM

I did look at both, with transformer there is simply no "technical" or "functionality" downside "just"  1) price  :shock:  2)  size 3) weight  - last two are definitely manageable .

More I think about location more I'm eyeing cockpit locker, it would be right next to my shore power plug and fairly out of the way . Am I missing something here ?  :think
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: mark_53 on April 12, 2017, 10:13:00 PM
My cockpit locker gets more exposure to the elements and wet stuff then inside the cabin.  I think you want to keep expensive electronics as protected as possible.
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: Ken Juul on April 13, 2017, 07:28:21 AM
I mounted my galvanic isolator inside the cockpit combing next to the engine instrument panel.  Easy access to the shore power plug and out of the elements.
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: Noah on April 13, 2017, 09:51:52 AM
Does anyone know what year/hull number when they moved the shorepower plug from the outside of the combing to inside the cockpit?
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: Dave Spencer on April 13, 2017, 10:18:09 AM
Mine's on the stbd transom.  Mk1.5 with sugar scoop stern.  1994 model built late 1993.  It's out of the way but readily accessible.  I haven't yet left the dock with the power cable attached!   :shock:
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: MarcZ on April 13, 2017, 10:47:05 AM
Do you have a transformer there as well ?

So far we have 3 production years and 3 different plug locations  :?

There is definitely something about cockpit locker being not very dry therefore not ideal for electrical anything but ..... I already have "electrical box" right there and no signs of trouble

I need to make a dummy template and start measuring alternative locations
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: Dave Spencer on April 13, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
No transformer on my boat.
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: mark_53 on April 13, 2017, 12:24:13 PM
Quote from: MarcZ on April 12, 2017, 12:58:51 PM
I think about location more I'm eyeing cockpit locker, it would be right next to my shore power plug and fairly out of the way . Am I missing something here ?  :think

Is there a reason being close to the power plug is important?  Mounting close to the AC bus would be just as convenient to install on my MK1.  Don't know about the MK2.
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: rmbrown on April 13, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Re plug location, I have hull number 1251, a 93 model built in December of 92, and mine is in the cockpit, not in on the stern.  I see Dave's is a year later and on the transom.  Not sure if that helps bracket when they moved it, or proves that the location isn't consistent!
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: sailaway on April 14, 2017, 03:52:19 AM
The whole problem with galvanic action is the green wire from the shore power cord being connected to your engine. A power isolation transformer on the power lines doesn't do much good. Any transformer that is loaded or working will give off heat. Charlie
Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: MarcZ on April 18, 2017, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: sailaway on April 14, 2017, 03:52:19 AM
The whole problem with galvanic action is the green wire from the shore power cord being connected to your engine. A power isolation transformer on the power lines doesn't do much good. Any transformer that is loaded or working will give off heat. Charlie

OK I'll bite  ;)   I'm not sure what you are suggesting here  since isolation transformer definitely takes care of "shore power connection to the engine" by eliminating it.

Question about the heat is more of how much rather then if .
We are talking about something like Charles Marine Iso-G2 3.6 kVA - I looked at the manual nothing there, did not call manufacturer yet .
I hope for some real live experience like mark_53 provided. (thank you)

Title: Re: Isolation Transformer
Post by: mark_53 on April 18, 2017, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: MarcZ on April 18, 2017, 08:20:24 AM
Question about the heat is more of how much rather then if .
We are talking about something like Charles Marine Iso-G2 3.6 kVA - I looked at the manual nothing there, did not call manufacturer yet .
I hope for some real live experience like mark_53 provided. (thank you)

I never had a problem with heat.  The unit is in a steel box so if there is any heat, its inside the box.  As you can see from the picture, I have a plastic set of drawers sitting on top of it.