We are thinking about purchasing a Catalina 34 and are currently considering a 1988 but are unsure if we should wait an extra year or two to pick up an early 1990s boat with the bigger engine and walk through.
I do not want to begin a debate as I know these are all great boats, but I am wondering a few things. Does the bigger engine provide more speed when motoring? Do people really find the walk through swim platform useful? I just want to make sure I buy the correct boat the first time.
Thanks
When I bought my early 1990 (no walk thru and 25XP engine) in 1998, the later 1990's with walk-thru and the larger engine were carrying a $10,000 premium. Since I started out looking at Catalina 30's, until my wife saw a Catalina 34, I had to draw the line somewhere. I would guess the difference in price would be less today and very well might be a good investment. I think for day to day sailing the transom makes no difference, but if you dingy tender a lot from your boat the ease of boarding from a swim step is a plus! Regarding the engine, I'm in Southern California (no big tides or currents) and the 25XP will push the boat at 6.5+ knots. I don't know that the larger engine would get you there any faster and it will burn more fuel. I would determine your budget, figure out what you can't live without and then buy the best boat possible with your budget.
Good Luck,
Dave
Experience with our 1987 fresh water tall rig is completely satisfactory. We stay happy with our older yacht and apply upgrades and improvements of later models . . . but, for performance, comfort and owner pride, we do not wish we had a later model. Well, maybe on the days we feel more flush with funds.
A good "older" Catalina is a treasure reflecting the owners care and the production qualities of the Catalina brand. When you find a good pre sailed Catalina our advice is get the best you can for your money, the yacht you really want, and you will find comfort with the hull number.
All C34's top out at 6.5 kts or so when motoring. That speed is based on waterline length. The bigger engine will allow you to hold that speed in stronger headwinds and larger head seas. For still-water motoring the bigger engine offers no advantage.
Definitely go for the walk-thru transom. It's unbelievably convenient, plus it provides a "oneness" with the water as you sail.
Each owner has their own needs. For us, a walk thru was a requirement. I would recommend you give both a try during your boat shopping and decide where it falls in your "I want" list. As far as the engine goes, the extra power is nice if you will routinely fight head winds/current. However it is a larger engine/transmission so maintenance room is reduced. Again try to look at each installation, look at how you will use the boat and decide which one you need.
You might be interested in this: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,1335.0.html (http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,1335.0.html)
And this: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,6123.0.html (http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,6123.0.html)
The "Options" order form also is on the website so you can check off what's on a boat you're looking at. See History and read down to Price List and click on it: http://www.c34.org/history.html (http://www.c34.org/history.html)
We have one of the "originals" 1986, M25. Works great even here with our strong tides. We like the closed transom for coming back from sea through the Golden Gate with 25 knot winds behind us, but would love a walk through when anchored. The dinghy at the stern is a bummer, so a side ladder would be a great addition. I just haven't gotten around to that yet... :D You'll always be adding and enhancing what's there, so if you spend 3 times your budget for "fix-its" over and beyond the price of the boat itself, just think of it this way: spend that overage in the first year and play catch-up, or spread it out over three years as you get to know the boat. I'll bet you that there are things you think you'll "absolutely" need and "couldn't do without" when you start out with the boat and after using it for a year or so find out that there are other priorities. It's fun, it's a boat and it's a damned good boat, to boot.
Do a search on the word "weblog" and read Steve Lyle's two posts and Kyle Ewing's great contribution.
I've almost always felt that there were four C34s:
1 - the original closed transom
2 - the dimple stern like Steve & Nancy Butler's no walk through but a step at the aft end of stern (I call this the C34 Mark 1-1/4!!!)
3 - the walk through in the 1046 to 119xx series (C34 Mark 1-1/2)
4 - the "real" Mark II
No matter what you buy, you'll be happy if she's in good shape and has been well taken care of. We searched for a year (for ONLY C34s) and saw some dreadful neglect. Stay away from those low priced boats, because they'll eat you out of house and home. Even a "good" one that's "bare" is better than a fixer upper. You'll spend 3 times your budget even if you get the 'right' one - I won't tell your wife if you don't. :D You'll always be adding equipment and systems depending on how you use the boat (anchor out or marina hopper).
Good luck and welcome to the group. Join the C34IA when you purchase your boat and keep in touch.
I went through the exact same process when we bought our 1987 last year. It was in great condition but it didn't have the walk thru transom.
However, I didn't want to spend the additional $10,000 for that. So when we saw Rio Blues in Sandusky, OH we fell for it because it has an add-on teak swim platform, with s/s brackets and ladder.
The platform has been great. We didn't get the walk thru transom, but we are pleased with what we got.
If you or anyone else wants to see pictures of the add-on platform, send me an email to JP72212@comcast.net and I'll send you the info.
Jon, great idea that I'd completely forgotten about! You can easily post pictures here for all to see. Go to this link which explains how to do it: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,3701.0.html
If you can swing the cost difference that goes with the walk through transom I feel it is a no brainer. We have a walk through and the benefits are:
ease of boarding a dinghy
oneness with the sea as mentioned above
ease of swimming
lots of room behind the wheel with seat removed
I often shower (with bathing suit) on the swim platform so as not to get the head all wet.
If you end up using a generator the walk through provides a place to put the gen convenient to the electic hook up while exasting out the stearn.
As for following seas; forget about them swamping the cockpit - it just doesn't happen!
I hope this helps...
I would also add the MkII cockpit is a fair bit wider
than the MkI so if you plan on piling a lot of people
in there that's something to consider.
The walk through transom sounds like a nice feature
if you're swimming a lot or using a dinghy regularly.
(Or have difficulties with boarding ladders)
Not a huge priority in the colder waters of SF Bay
but are nice nonetheless.
The larger motors are nice if you motor a lot
into winds & seas. The MkI with a good prop will
cruise easily above six knots. (I get 6.3+ at cruise RPMS
with a two blade folder) In rough seas you might get
knocked down a 1/2 knot, depending on your prop.
The MkII with the right prop should have no problem
getting 7+ kts and staying close to 7 in a moderate
seaway however you'll burn a lot more fuel.
Finally the MkII have full sized stern pulpit seats,
no teak, windlass, larger rudder (though many have
upgraded), improved deck hardware, better plumbing &
counters, and a few other nice features...
Stu makes some good points about the shape of the
boat being the most important.
Good luck... you really can't go wrong with a well
maintained c34.
As Stu commented, we have the "dimpled" stern...closed aft, but with an integral swim platform that is reached via 2 steps out of the cockpit. Getting on and off the boat to a dingy is excellent, but with the added advantages of more storage, less hull flex, an enclosed cockpit for added privacy, and protection in a following sea. We were about to purchase an open-transom C34 when we saw the closed cockpit/integral swim latter version and bought it. Whatever you decide, the C34 is a wonderful boat and the C34 group is incredibly helpful. Best of luck to you!
My recommendation is that you buy the newest boat you can afford, but definitely at least the Mark I 1/2 with walkthru transom/swim platform. Also keep in mind that the older the boat you buy the more likely you will have expensive maintenance/upgrade issues including having to replace standing rigging and who knows what all unless the PO has spent beaucoup bucks saving you the trouble and expense.
Thus spending the extra $10K to get not only the swimplatform but a boat in better condition and better equipped will look like a smart move in retrospect.
Good luck!
Bill
We back into our slip so we can board through the open transom. Way more convenient than hauling ourselves over the rail.
I'd recommend the walkthrough. We have 1068, a Mark "1.5" and really appreciate the ease of using the walkthrough at anchor to get in and out of the dinghy. We also use that approch at marinas to avoid splinters, rails, etc.
It's not quite true that water "never" comes in through the transom! It's happened twice to us over 9 years under very different conditions. Once we had grabbed a park bouy as a power boat wake showed up. It washed through the cockpit and spashed a bit of saltwater through the companionway. The other time was two weeks ago in a nasty piece of water called Johnstone Strait. 35 knot winds against an opposite 2 knot current. We were going downwind under partial jib and taking some water through the transom as the steep chop broke against the stern. We put in the lower hatch board and didn't worry about it execpt for wet tennis shoes.
We've always had the M35A so we have no basis for comparison with the 25 but we have been slowed to 3 knots against a large chop and headwinds with the engine turning 2800 so there wasn't power to spare.
Randy
Okay, I took Stu's advice and downloaded the Microsoft Resizer Software, so here is a photo of the add on Swim Platform that we have on our 1987. The platform i smade of teak and the brackets and ladder are stainless. I am going to put together some photos and dimensions and will have that done sometime next week.
Guys : The standard or walk thru transom might just dictate how you use the boat. (hulls #1 thru #1294)
A good example is the size of the propane locker on the early walk thru MK 1's. You have the baby bottle (1 gallon or about 4.5 lbs) The molded locker is made for that size bottle and you can't expand it! Now with the EPA having decreed ed that all propane bottle must have an OPD (overflow protection device) - that float assembly cut off, has decreased the 1 gallon bottle to 80% of it's original capacity.
This make it hard to do any long range cruising with this limitation - because of the walk thur transom!!
In the standard transom however, I increased the propane locker size to hold a 12lb bottle.
A few "transom" thoughts!
For you Mk 1.5 owners. It is possible to fit a 10# propane tank in the existing space. A 12# is just a little too big. It is necessary to build a plywood box re-using the current plastic lid. See the write up in the galley section of the tech Wiki.
Jon, Thanks for the pictures of the "swim platform". I'd love to see more details on it. My wife and I just bought a 1987 MkI. We looked at the newer model, but it was more money. We bought a boat that had been very well kept, and had lots of the gear we wanted. That is really important. Even with that, we are quite busy upgrading the boat. That's a process that never ends. We are very happy with our new boat. By the way, this forum is a great resource. I've spent hours just looking around (didn't make my first post for 3 months). I've learned a lot about my boat. My thanks to everyone who participates - and especially those who administer the system. It's a big help regardless of whether you get an older or a newer model. 8)
Depending upon where you sail, there is one more thing to think about with an open transom. Our first cruise on 2nd Wish was an overnight in Newport, CA. The local fauna are quite friendly- maybe a bit too friendly. We were moored next to a powerboat with a swim platform which the owners had covered with plastic chairs and plastic fencing in an effort to stave off the onslaught of the native Sea Lions. When we arrived at the mooring, the natives who had been loitering in the water behind the swim platform came to greet us- no doubt to see whether we provided a more accommodating sun platform. Brooke, my wife was concerned about leaving 2nd Wish when went ashore for dinner, but our 1987 closed transom model was too much trouble for them. Even then Brooke insisted we sleep with the companionway boards in. As we departed the next day, it appears she was probably wise in her insistence.
Attached is a photo of the scene with a victorious Sea Lion perched on the stern of the powerboat, having overcome the obstacles placed on the swim platform.
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