Got a problem with my electrical panel. I think I already know the answer but I'm gonna ask anyway. I have the black engraved panel with the rocker switches and the push-in/push out breakers. On the left side that has cabin, running, accessory, deck light, steaming, and anchor, in that order, only cabin (top) and anchor (bottom) work. There is no power to the middle four switches. I checked by pulling out the connections and touching them to the exposed post on the fuse box, and then checking the line with a meter. So, I guess the actual rocker switches are malfunctioning. Before I go to Seward and see what I can replace, has anyone had this issue before? Any suggestions?
It might be that the switches don't work because of lack of use. You might want to spray some wd40 or contact cleaner into the switch and excercise it off and on a bit before you replace them. Either pull the breaker of turn the battery switch off while you do it to prevent arcing which could also damage the switch and excessive cycles on the circuits. You also might want to swap the suspected bad switches with the good ones to see if the problem follows the suspected bad switch.
If you have to replace them, the panel was made by Seaward, they should have replacements.
Steve : Ken could be right, but I'd go to Radio Shack and get a can of "turner cleaner" and try it rather than WD40. Most of those + wires are ganged into a circuit breaker in gangs of 3. It also could be the breakers? Try bypassing the breakers and see if you have power. A thought.
Thanks to you both. Yes, I already bypassed the breakers and tested the lines with a meter, so I'm pretty sure its the rocker switches. You're right Ron that the switches are in gangs of three. One of them works in each gang (cabin in the upper, anchor in the lower). So that clinches it for me that there are problems with the rockers. I'll try the next step that you both suggested and let you know.
See reply #5 here for the name and phone # of Seaward "good guys": http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4212.0.html
Thanks Stu, I already called and left a message a couple of days ago, but no one has called me back. Guess I'll try again. You would think they would have an e-mail contact point. After all, it's 2008. Odd.
They're impossible regarding return calls. You have to call them everyday. They'll return your call when they realize you're not going away, or you might get lucky enough to actually get someone live. For them, it's 1962 all over again.
I guess everyone's experiences are different. Based on earlier input from many for, for instance, Garhauer, calling in the morning, California time, works wonders. When I called I got Dennis right away, no problem. He was very helpful, explained the minimum $20 package and sent me four switches and two green DC panel lights. Nice guy. Try 8-9 a.m. California time, perhaps that will work better.
Yeah, my experience with them has been fine when I actually have reached a live person. I would say that out of perhaps six voicemails I've left over the last couple of years (three in this past week), only one has actually been returned, and that was after I left one every day for that last three days (just happened this week... I was actually shocked when Lonnie returned my call). I would also say their documentation is often either non-existent or inaccurate. It's great that they actually have replacement parts, but I wish it were another company.
Maybe I've just been lucky but my experience has been just the opposite. I recently worked with Lonnie troubleshooting an oven problem. I never connected each time I called but the call was always returned, usually the same day but always within 24 hrs.
Ken, You clearly have more Karma than me. Three calls, no one home, no call back. No big deal as it is no rush.
Finally got thru to Seaward. No chance to buy replacement rocker switches as they no longer meet ABYC codes. Only option provided by Seaward is a new panel, which is awfully expensive.
So, went and tried the contact cleaner. No go. There is clearly something internal in the rocker switch assembly that only allows the first rocker in the gang to work.
Need to sit back and think through options.
Steve, I bought some from Seaward earlier this year, so I find it hard to understand your (or their) statement about ABYC. I did a Google search for "rocker switches" and found these "snap-in" switches, which seem to be the right ones. Next time you're at your boat, check the back of your existing switches and see if the brand and/or model # is visible and see if these will work. Other searches on rocker switches might be helpful to you, too, since this was only the first of many from the Google search. You could also ask Seaward what model switches they are and simply buy them elsewhere.
http://www.nkkswitches.com/series.aspx?stid=2&id=5044
All I know is what they told me.
As usual, great ideas. I checked the back of the switches yesterday and there is nothing there. However, if I can get accurate measurements, I beleive buying new rockers from a site like this may be the solution. Thanks.
Does anyone happen to know why our old style rocker switches wouldn't meet current ABYC code and if there is anything to be concerned about?
ABYC Standards, like any building Codes, keep getting "improved" over time, and because of boat usages. For instance, our stock 55 OEM alternators were fine for the boats when first designed with "ice boxes" and no fridges. Heck, the only thing electrical on the boats were navigation lights! Come refrigeration, and other energy absorbing equipment, two things had to happen: battery capacity AND charging had to be improved. With that comes higher currents and the need for better protection, including switches and fuses. That's why. There's also no reason to believe that other than for liability reasons old switches, if you can find them, won't continue to work. As I install new stuff I use newer fusing recommendations, but I'm keepin' our old 1986 panel, its switches, the one green "ON" light, and the great Art Deco lettering until that Confederate money finally does make its comeback! :D
Here's a link, from Seaward's own website, about their history of panels, including switch descriptions.
http://www.seawardproducts.com/upgdinfo.pdf
Another search source, after reading this, is "paddle switches" in addition to "rocker switches."
The fellow at Seaward didn't elaborate, but if I had to guess it may be the fuse set up and the way they are wired, not so much the rocker itself. Mine has a bare positive wire coming off the breaker and soldered to a gang of three switches. I would guess that more modern systems are a bit more self contained.