Now that the weather is starting to warm up I have been able to make it out to the boat for the last two weekends. Each time I go I end up adding to the list that I posted a while ago. last trip I was looking at some of the wood trim on the outside of the boat. I'm not sure if all 34's have the small 3/4 half round trim on the cabin, mine does but it would have to be replaced. so my question is has anyone ever taken that trim off and did you replace it or what would it take to just leave it off?
Search the word "EYEBROW" on this website. Many comments/solutions.
Mine was broken by a previous owner. Despite the challenge of maintaining it, I prefer the way it looks with it on there rather than off. I am considering going to plasti-teak. The company uses your existing piece to make a replacement out of their plastic part. A good friend has his toe rails on his Jeanneau done with this stuff. The toe rail matches up with the cleat chocks and the product looks great installed. It doesn't look as rich and lovely as a yacht grade varnish job, but it sure does looks tidy ALL the time without ANY maintenance.
Quote from: Noah on April 29, 2023, 05:50:45 PM
Search the word "EYEBROW" on this website. Many comments/solutions.
I tried all kinds of searches for this one, I don't think I ever would have guessed eyebrow thank you
Dan : I took my "eyebrow" teak OFF years ago and gave it away - tired of trying to keep it nice looking. Filled the holes with #4 screws and finishing washers.
If you decide to put some "eyebrows" back on just make sure it is plastic fake look a like teak or you are just creating some more maintenance for yourself!!
My thoughts!! :thumb:
Dan, when I bought my boat the teak eyebrows were missing. I decided to go with SST #4 ovalhead screws 1/2" long and finish washers.
Have you looked into having new ones made. I replaced mine in 2009. Bought a piece teak 1"x2" x14' 6" and had a milling shop make me new ones. Used the old as pattern but made the new ones a little wider and thicker to make up for all the years of sanding.
Just a thought.
Paul
Quote from: Ron Hill on April 30, 2023, 03:11:08 PM
Dan : I took my "eyebrow" teak OFF years ago and gave it away - tired of trying to keep it nice looking. Filled the holes with #4 screws and finishing washers.
If you decide to put some "eyebrows" back on just make sure it is plastic fake look a like teak or you are just creating some more maintenance for yourself!!
My thoughts!! :thumb:
you removed the eyebrows and then just took a screw with a finish washer and caulked it? I like this Idea as the eyebrows I have are so weather checked and grained I don't think they are salvageable.
Yes, and it will look like the photo I posted.
Many years ago l changed my teak to plastic lumber, the same product as " plasteak". Works wonderfully. Have all the parts cut to replace the eyebrows, just haven't gotten to that job. I'll try to use the same holes that fastened the teak.
(good luck with that)
Dan : Just use a dab of clear silicone caulk and screw in either a flat or oval head #4 stainless screw and use a ss finishing washer!! I've NEVER regretted it!!
A few thoughts
QuoteI'll try to use the same holes that fastened the teak.
Phil,
I've never owned a wood boat so I've never done this myself. But, I've watched wood planks replaced using the original screw holes in the frame. They only used a compass. Using the screw hole as a center a few arcs were scribed with the compass (don't change the setting), the plank (trim) is put in place, without changing the compass setting, do a couple of marks from the scribed arcs to the center. X marks the spot. That is over where the original screw hole is.
Wooden boat building was quite the art. Developed over many centuries.
Jim
Drill new holes. It doesn't matter if you fill the old ones and then cover them with new trim. The cabin sides are solid fiberglass, so no worries about leaking core. Just don't drill all the way through 😂.
Quote from: Noah on May 02, 2023, 03:25:03 PM
The cabin sides are solid fiberglass, so no worries about leaking core. Just don't drill all the way through 😂.
Noah, the cabin sides on my boat have balsa core (visible when I removed the port-lights to replace them), so I think one should consider filling the old holes if you drill new ones.
Regards,
Derek
Years ago I removed the core of all the holes, filled with epoxy and redrilled (as Main Sail teaches). Now " the plan" is to use the old eyebrows as a template to drill the holes in the plastic lumber. Will try a few holes and if it doesn't work I'll just epoxy the old holes and make all new.
I disagree as to balsa core. The factory drawing and my personal experience replacing my own windows indicate solid glass on cabin sides vertical surfaces. At least that is my understanding/rememberance.
https://c34.org/wiki/images/3/31/Deck_Laminate%26Reinforcements.pdf
Derek : The core of the deck and cabin top are PLYWOOD in the early MK1 C34s.!! That why a C34s is so heavy!!
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Ron- I you look at the C34 factory drawing (in my previous post) there is a addendum note in the table stating that sometime (in the mid-1990s?) they replaced the cabin top plywood with balsa. However, I think the cabin horizontal "top/deck" is the only part that is cored. Not the cabin sides. The drawing is not too clear (to me anyway) on that fact.
Factory section view of the area. It doesn't tell you what it is, but it has a core of something.
Hmmm? Hard to tell, but that "Typical" window replacement drawing is for a 2014 C30 MkIII. In any case, whether you fill the old holes with epoxy, and drill new ones for trim or putting in screws and finishing washers, or installing new trim, reusing existing holes — a little Sixaflex 291 in with the screws is not a bad idea.
The 2014 dwg is the clearer dwg of the two I have. Here's the 1983 dwg revised in 1996.
You might consider replacing them with PlasTeak, https://www.plasteak.com/. It gives the look of wood with zero maintenance. I used it for the handrails, toerails, hatch slides, and coaming box trim on my Gloucester 19.
Noah & Guys : Dans 1987 C34 has a plywood core in the deck and the cabin top!!!
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Okey dokey! THX folks! Seal the holes! BTW- I love my teak trim and varnish! My eyebrows were looking a bit "rough" after 7 years of slapping a coat on every year and with no sun covers,. So last month I hand scraped and sanded them to bare wood and reapplied 5 coats of Epifanse gloss varnish. They are now back and looking gooood! The eyebrows are one of the easiest spots to varnish on our boats, as they are a long straight line on smooth gelcoat, so very easy to tape off.
nice job, that looks awesome :D