My port side genoa sheave froze before I realized it and now it is done. It is the OEM Garhauer. I reached out to them and it is no longer available, so I am now in the market for the genoa blocks (both to match). I read the prior postings and know the curved track may be a problem (1992 C34). Any one replace theirs and have a recommendation?
I called Schaefer already and they have no sheave to fit.
I saw a C34 with cockpit adjustable cars in Atlantic Highlands, NJ. Garhauer has these, but at $350 + shipping. Looking like a pipe dream at the moment, and since I don't race, a rare pipe dream at that. Also, I didn't notice if the cars were on a curved track, though it was definitely a V1 of our boats so it is likely so.
Thanks for any suggestions.
The curved track should not be an issue, Garhauer has a number that should work. One example from their site.
Low Lead Genoa Car for 1-1/4" T-Track
https://www.garhauermarine.com/track-blocks-accessories/low-lead-genoa-cars/low-lead-genoa-car-llc-2.html
Good luck,
Steve
Which model Genoa block did you have? Or a pic?
I might have one.
Wobegon,
I'm very surprised if you're hearing the track cars aren't available. Garhauer certainly has them on their website here:
https://www.garhauermarine.com/track-blocks-accessories/low-lead-genoa-cars.html (https://www.garhauermarine.com/track-blocks-accessories/low-lead-genoa-cars.html)
And there are definitely other brands that will fit if it's inconvenient to order from Garhauer (although they have excellent service). The curved track won't be a problem.
Good luck!
QuoteMy port side genoa sheave froze before I realized it and now it is done.
Do I understand correctly that the sheave is not turning when adjusting the sheets? That was the case on Shamrock when I first bought her. Was a simple call to Garhauer to get the sheave and axle bolt. I'm surprised that they didn't have the parts or couldn't help you, they've always given me great service in the past. I think the track is the same on all brands, perhaps you could buy a different brand car.
Jim
those Garhauer blocks look quite different from what came with my 86 C34 - does anyone have a pic of how they've set them up? I often have problems on the port side with the sheet rubbing on the cockpit edge as it comes across to the inner side of the winch.
My 1987 has stand up track blocks similar to this -
https://www.garhauermarine.com/track-blocks-accessories/track-car-single-blocks/track-car-single-block-40-40-uab.html
If that's what you're looking for, on the Garhauer website look under "track blocks and accessories", then "track car single blocks". There's a few options to choose from.
Many folks have installed cheek blocks/turning blocks mounted on the combing, aft of the winch, so that the line doesn't rub over the combing while going to the winch.
WB : I'd go to Bacons in Annapolis and see if you can't fine a block that will work for this sailing season. Then take your frozen block and send it back Gauhauer and have them fix yours. Gauhauer will repair any of their products!!
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Thank you for your responses.
To be clear, I did not post this inquiry until AFTER speaking with Garhauer, sending them photos and measurements, and having them research whether they had anything they could provide me with and only after being told "we have nothing to replace the sheave with." They also declined to make or repair mine. It has two flats from the line rub under pressure. I did view the numerous options Garhauer offers.
The sheave is 2 3/8" (6 cm) in diameter, and 1 1/8" wide (3 cm). The center of the hub is 3/8". The photos I sent to Garhauer are too large to post. The biggest issue is the width as the throat of the block slide is 1 1/4" wide, so the block uses two full diameter spacers to keep the line from pinching in between block and mount. A nylon spacer won't work unless it also is 2 3/8" in diameter.
I did consider Bacons, and may still go there, but it is a good ride for me to get there and to pay for my sailing habit I still find myself working (except at the moment, as I just took a break to look here ; )
The idea of noting in my post the curved track, and incidentally the fact it is recessed, came up on prior threads, all from years ago when Garhauer still had the sheaves available and members were replacing cars. My 1.5 model vs. a Mk II might be different in this respect. I always try to search this awesome site before posting. Also, I can't fault Garhauer for moving on after 30 or more years. It happens.
I have a cheek/turning block on the combing, also a Garhauer.
Ken I will try to PM you with a photo, so long as the site allows. After work I will try to find editing software to post for all.
Thank you, Bill
Bill : Your first post listed your C34 is on the Magothy River Md which is just above Annapolis. That's why I mentioned Bacons. You might also contact "Sail Annapolis" (Catalina Dealer) and check with John Middleton on your problem and see if he might have a solution?
You might also drill out the block's pin and remove the sheave. If you know anyone in a machine shop they could make a new sheave for you and adjust the thickness.
Like you said you just might have to "Bite the Bullet" spring for new movable genoa car system. My 1988 has a recessed track and it works great.
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Quote from: WBev on June 17, 2021, 01:14:51 PM
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After work I will try to find editing software to post for all.
Thank you, Bill
Bill,
Posting and RESIZING Photos 101 http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,3701.0.html
OK, I have been ignoring the fun ticket creator (my job) and believe I have squeezed some photos down. Could not paste into this so they are attached.
I bet many MK 1s have the same as my Mk1.5.
Ron my boat is over an hour away, and Annapolis, on the other side of the river, is over an hour and a half each way, and 40 minutes from the boat by car.
Ken, please let me know.
Thanks Stu, I had read the posting photos stuff today. Google photos did the work for me.
Thank you.
WB Bill,
Sorry that's not the type extra cars I have from Garhauer. Yours are similar to the OEM ones that were on my 84 C30.
I'd think GhM or a machine shop could turn a new sheave to fit.
If it's any help to temp get you by, Ed Louchard manufacturers Delrin sheaves of any configuration - I had him turn new ones for a friend's Beneteau that worked great - he "turns" them around in a day or two after he receives the old one (or measurements.)
http://www.zephyrwerks.com/
-Ken
My MK1 genoa/jib/headsail blocks look like this, which I believe is OEM equipment. The blocks slide on the inboard 1 1/4" recessed T-track. (photo of blocks from 2016 Sue Clancy parts for sale post).
Wouldn't any of the LLCs will work for you?
https://www.garhauermarine.com/track-blocks-accessories/low-lead-genoa-cars.html
I have both yours and a LLC-3 or 4 in line on each side which lead back to my cheek block.
The reason I have BOTH in line is because I wanted to keep the lead LOW, hence the LLCs which REPLACED the old standup blocks OEM, which I found much too wobbly.
To the OP... I think what you have for genoa cars is Garhauer's pre ball bearing version of a low lead car. They no longer make anything without ball bearings. Thats why you cant get one that looks exactly the same. The link Stu sent above to GhM's low lead cars are the ball bearing replacements to what you have. I would FULLY expect the ball bearing low lead cars to fit and be a great upgrade from what you have/had.
Quote from: waughoo on June 17, 2021, 07:14:12 PM
To the OP... I think what you have for genoa cars is Garhauer's pre ball bearing version of a low lead car. They no longer make anything without ball bearings. Thats why you cant get one that looks exactly the same. The link Stu sent above to GhM's low lead cars are the ball bearing replacements to what you have. I would FULLY expect the ball bearing low lead cars to fit and be a great upgrade from what you have/had.
Alex makes a good point. My old cars, like yours, are the aft ones. The newer ones, like the linked LLCs are both forward. Looks better, too, engineering-wise.
OK, I am biting this bullet. The LL-2s handle up to 3000 lbs at $80/each. The LL-3s handle up to 3,500 lbs at $120/each. I have a 155 genoa. Would you expect the LL-2 to be sufficient? I had it in my "cart" when I saw Stu's note.
That is a question that Garhauer CAN answer.
QuoteOK, I am biting this bullet. The LL-2s handle up to 3000 lbs at $80/each. The LL-3s handle up to 3,500 lbs at $120/each. I have a 155 genoa. Would you expect the LL-2 to be sufficient? I had it in my "cart" when I saw Stu's note.
Or you could do a big upgrade and go with the adjustable cars. I see that they are priced in pairs of sets for about $350 vrs $160 to 240 for a pair of the set cars. The only other thing to buy would be some rope for control lines. Use the old cars on the outer track. Replace the sheave when you can find or have one made.
Jim
Bill : Stu brought up a good point. Most of us have added turning blocks which are well behind the primary winches. So all my genoa blocks do is keep the sheet line low and set the sheet line correct angle with the sail clue!!
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A dose of my own medicine came, and I called Garhauer. The LLC-2's were recommended for my boat with its' 155 genoa. As usual, the Garhauer folks are very friendly and open to discussion.
As to the $350 set (control lines set-up), that does not include the end cam cleats which tack on another $120 (part #SJ-2). I did discuss that option as well. Not a good year for me to do that, though that was my original hope.
The new blocks are on the way. I will also check at Bacons toward using the originals on the outside track with the Garhauer midship cleat.
Thank you all.
Bill
Quote from: Ron Hill on June 18, 2021, 01:51:26 PM
Bill : Stu brought up a goo point. Most of us have added turning blocks which are well behind the primary winches. So all the genoa blocks do is keep the sheet line low!!
Most of my points are gooey! :D
The idea that all the sheet blocks do is keep the line low is not quite accurate. I have two cars on each side and then the aft cheek block.
The forward genoa car, like the LL2 or LL3 do the major work of turning the sheet and holding it down. The aft car, like WBev's old one, really are more just a fairlead rather than a genoa sheet turning block and literally carry almost no load.
I chose to buy the two extra turning blocks because without the aft one the sheet was rubbing on the shorepower inlet cover. I put the newer ball bearing ones forward, since the older WBev ones came with my boat. They've probably lasted this long because they are NOT under load, whereas the ball bearing ones take the brunt of the sheet load.
I also removed the end stop at the aft end of the track. Makes it easier to remove the cars if needed, and I have a few times over the years, mostly for cleaning the track which I could also do by just moving them around. Wouldn't do that if I had moveable cars.
The later mark 1.5s have cheek blocks mounted at the aft end of the cockpit coaming to resolve the chafing due to the lead to the winch. My boat came with sheets that were too short to make it through the cheek block. I just strung in my new ones about a week ago and tried them out today. The cheek blocks work GREAT and my new sheets make my boat look so fancy!!
Previously posted in another thread