Thanks to those that posted in the other topic replying to my request for help with my rigid vang. Originally I thought this one is a Garhauer model....but now I'm not so sure.
Obviously it appears to be mounted incorrectly based on what I'v observed in other photos (the mount on the mast is upside down!!!!) But I'm beginner to wonder if this was originally designed for this boat. If I flip the lower mount it will reduce the length and I'm not sure there is enough travel left to do that.
Just seeking advice from others who have mounted one before and can help me sort this out.
A different angle.
I have this same model on my 91 and it is indeed a Garhauer. The mount at the bottom just indicates the vang needs to be unmounted and rotated 180 degrees. Im curious what you mean by not enough room/travel. Can you elaborate? The vang doesnt need much downward travel. It is there just to pull the leech tight when the main sheet is too far beyond the boat to pull down. Thus, there wont be much piston travel left when it is activated.
In this shot the boom is horizontal to the water, the vang is mostly compressed with very little "travel" left in it. I'm picturing the bottom mount mounted correctly which will further compress the vang when the boom is horizontal to the horizon. I haven't tried it yet and I may be all wet with regards to this worry. I was just seeing if anybody else had this model and could weigh in.
Since this shot I've pulled the boom, vang and mainsheet off the boat and it's all in my basement for service. I'll flip the bottom mount when I reinstall the whole thing and see how it goes.
By some chance do you have any shots of your vang all set up? When we bought the boat it wasn't set up at all and I had to guess as to where the blocks were mounted and how the control line(s) are run. Any way I set it up it ends up binding up and rather than being easy to operate, I need a winch to move the thing....it just seems wrong.
There's a couple pictures here. https://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,10911.0.html
I suspect that the geometry will be quite similar once you flip the vang. I dont think it will be a problem. I dont have any photos of the line routing but can get some. I suspect it should be pretty simple to sort out once you have it all mounted. It is pretty much a simple block and tackle set up. I will say that the tang on the side of the boom end where the line terminates requires some adjustment to allow for proper travel. Youll have to fuss with it a bit to get it where it needs to be. When I'm at the boat next I will try and get some routing instruction pictures. It is going to be about a week though before Im back there.
Hey Diversion, thanks for the link. I'd posed this same question on that thread and those shots, while pretty similar, aren't the same setup I have....so that's why I created the new thread specifically for this model vang.
Alex, I do hope rotating that lower mount won't cause any issues. The way it's mounted now also interferes with the hatch in the main salon, it only opens until it hits the vang...and that's really not much.
We've owned this poor boat for 1-1/2 years and it just amazes me the stuff I run across...if you look closely at the photo's I posted you'll also note that the bolt that holds the lower pivot on the vang is inserted upside down (nut at the top) which is absolutely incorrect.....maybe it was mounted this way when it was originally installed, I'm sure I'll never know.
I'd REALLY appreciate it if you think to snap a few photos of your setup and share. I lurk here often and will spot them quickly. Thanks so much for the help!!!! Hope I can reciprocate one day.
Quote from: ewengstrom on February 19, 2021, 04:20:51 AM
I'd REALLY appreciate it if you think to snap a few photos of your setup and share. I lurk here often and will spot them quickly. Thanks so much for the help!!!! Hope I can reciprocate one day.
Will do. I'll be up there next week sometime and will do some investigating on line routing as well as photos.
Here is a picture of my Garhauer Rigid Vang installation, hope it helps!
Karista, quite a bit actually. I'd be most interested to see where that upper block on the vang attaches, maybe there is just slack in the line but it almost looks like it attaches somewhere other than the upper part of the vang itself???
Here is the boom connection of the rigid Vang, hope it helps!
I took a video of mine while i was at the boat that traces the routing. I will upload to Youtube and then post the link. Prob have that up here by tomorrow AM.
Okay... video is uploaded. Hopefully this helps sort out how to rig yours. Please note that this boat is still being sorted. Not everything is yacht finish!
https://youtu.be/RLPfhwwsN9Y
Alex,
Thanks a TON sir.....I do have those separate blocks but they weren't mounted when we got the boat and my brain was just overloaded sorting out all the new systems and I never got around to sorting thru the setup..... I do see where our vang was mounted basically upside down at the base and fixing it is pretty straight forward at this point.
Oh, and your boat looks pretty good to me!!!!! :clap
Eric,
Glad to hear it was helpful. Once you get it rigged there will just be a bit of time spent adjuating the bitter end of the line that makes up the end to end purchase of the vang. That sets the location of the smaller purchase blocks. If it gets set too long the purchas block wont have enough travel. All that said, if yours was rigged at some point before, the length might be just fine.
Post us up a photo when you get it all rigged up!
I had some issues with mine after I put my mast back up and Garhauer was very helpful after I sent them some photos. It can be a challenging piece of equipment to get set up or re set but like any other mechanical part, it take a little study and patience.
Follow up.
Many thanks to all who helped me figure this mess out. As it turns out it had been installed completely upside down by the PO and not rigged correctly in the first place.....boy did that leave me wondering!!!!
Alex, a special thanks to you for the video, that was most helpful sir!!!
Thanks for letting us know you sorted it out. I am rather fond of my ridgid vang as I feel it makes my boat seem fancy :-) You are most welcome for the help.
Eric : looking at your picture, I'd recommend that you make a Sunbrella cover for your mast boot to keep it out of the hot sun!!
I wrote a Mainsheet tech note article w/picture on the "How To"!! :thumb:
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I may get dinged for this question, but how do I find referenced "how to" on the Sunbrella cover :?? I've got an extra piece of Sunbrella looking for a home, thanks in advance.
Not a bad idea Ron, right now I'm finishing up making a new dodger (with covers), bimini, connector, stack pack, winch covers, instrument cover, coaming compartment covers, handrail covers, hatch covers and a sun shade for the front hatch while at anchor. But it's starting to look like I'll have a bit of Sunbrella bits left over and I believe that may be a darn good use for some of it, Thanks!!!! :thumb:
From Home, search box, boot cover, Ron Hill.
Although I didn't mention it in my article, this is a great time to replace your mast boot if yours hasn't been covered by a sunbrella UV protection
(How to make a mast boot protector - another Mainsheet tech note article May 1992)
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Now you can search Mainsheet May 1992.
The search feature took some using for me to learn. I do find it's very useful for my poor memory.
Jim
Quote from: wingman on April 20, 2021, 04:37:01 AM
I may get dinged for this question, but how do I find referenced "how to" on the Sunbrella cover :?? I've got an extra piece of Sunbrella looking for a home, thanks in advance.
Used The Knowledgebase, CTRL-F, boot:
https://www.c34.org/mainsheet/pdf/1992_no2.pdf
Quote from: Stu Jackson on April 20, 2021, 10:21:12 AM
Used The Knowledgebase, CTRL-F, boot:
https://www.c34.org/mainsheet/pdf/1992_no2.pdf
Stu, got it thanks! :clap But for some reason, my login won't work when I follow the link provided.
Guys : What you need to do is to take a few hours and look at just the titles of the articles in the Mainsheet tech notes. When you see one that really might be of interest then read that article. That way you'll at least have seen what is available in the past 30+ years (well over 500 articles!!!).
I haven't seen many new problems (that hasn't already been addresses) in the last 15 years!! However, you'll find some really neat modifications !!! :thumb:
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Quote from: Ron Hill on April 21, 2021, 02:28:02 PM
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I haven't seen a new problem (that hasn't already been addresses) in the last 15 years!! You'll find some really neat modifications !!! :thumb:
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There are always new things to do and to learn. There are new skippers joining this forum on a regular basis, and many have become C34IA members.
It is important to recognize that new issues arise all the time, whether from newly occurring things that no one has ever experienced or from new technology.
For example, no one has ever had to replace a stud in the gear case cover for their raw water pump. Not that I've ever read about. That's why I wrote my experience up in so much detail.
No one ever reported on the ball check valve in the Racor 24 Series filter housings.
Few, over the years, have installed compacting heads, and some of the new electric heads are only relatively recent developments.
AIS didn't exist but until just a few years ago.
Yes, there is a ton of information on our boats and boat systems. I have chosen the path of doing what I can to contribute, but find that it seems to help folks more by posting links than it does to say "go read it." My sticky threads on helpful ways to use this website encourages skippers to do just what you propose. I call it "Reading the Headlines."
But the "
there ain't nothin' new" trope gets really old, really quickly.
Stu, thanks for the sticky threads. Knowledge like yours, Rons and many others help 100's of us each year as we fix things ourselves. Finding help in a hurry ( your stickies ) is very helpful and some times we need help now. Not having to dig all day can make a bad situation a little better in a short time. Also those of you that have written so much over the years have a deeper knowledge of what is in these 100's of pages and where to find the information quickly. Thanks for sharing that knowledge and the many points of view as so many of us try to solve problems. Great boat, Great wealth of knowledge.
Phil, heartily second your comments! This is a great resource, with superb advice provided, and I know there is a lot of behind the scenes work to make it all work. Thanks to all who make it such an amazing source of practical and authoritative info :clap :clap :clap
Guys : Sorry, I was a bit rash on my "haven't seen" statement.
However, I would still recommend that new owners should take the time to "breeze thru" the Mainsheet tech notes and just look at the titles of the articles. I know that they will find a number of articles that you'll be really interested in!!! :D
I've run into a few perplexing situations my self -- that I've never written about. Probably, the most confusing was when a bolt holding the 13 loop teak wooden hand hold broke the head off while I was trying removing that hand hold.
What I didn't notice was that the head broke horizontally in half, leaving half of the "V" head still on the bolt. I had a 6' 4" 250lb friend below that was trying to pull that bolt "with a broken head" thru to the inside of the salon. I kept telling him that he wasn't pulling hard enough!!! I'm surprised that we didn't collapse the starboard overhead he was pulling so hard!!
We finally used a punch and drove the bolt thru to the top to remove it!! :clap
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