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Title: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 25, 2020, 10:52:47 PM
Hi!

So as a new owner to a 1992 Catalina 34 that came with a head that didnít work it was obviously my first project. Decided to treat myself and get a Jabsco Deluxe flush electric head, no more explaining to non boaters how to flush lol. I will be editing a video of the whole process but I figured Iíd share with the group the progress so far. Iíve worked with insulation foam as a plug material before and I like how easy it is to create any shape you want. The idea is to build a fiberglass insert that will accept the new head but that can be removed down the road if I change my mind or sell the boat and new owner wants to go a different route. Should look almost factory when Iím done.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Noah on April 26, 2020, 12:10:01 PM
Curious; is this a 17 in. or 14 in. Jabsco, and why did you select this electric head over other electrics, such as the Raritan Elegance or Dometic.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 26, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Itís a 14Ē slant back model, no thought pattern went into why Jabsco and not a different brand. Every boat Iíve had has had a Jabsco head, going with what I know I suppose?
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Noah on April 26, 2020, 02:42:11 PM
 :thumb:
Thx!
Title: Re: New head
Post by: lazybone on April 26, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
Thanks for sharing with us.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 26, 2020, 05:59:26 PM
Finished the plug today, taking it home with me to sand it down to where I like the look of it. Then I have out fairing compound all over it and sand again till Iím happy with it, bring back to the boat to confirm nothings moved. Then back home to glass over it and repeat the process. Itís gonna take me a couple more weeks as I can only work on it over the weekends.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Stu Jackson on April 26, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
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The idea is to build a fiberglass insert that will accept the new head but that can be removed down the road if I change my mind or sell the boat and new owner wants to go a different route. Should look almost factory when Iím done.

Hi & Welcome.

I looked at your photos and went back to your OP.  The piece I'm completely missing in understanding is: Why?

Doesn't the new head simply lag bolt onto the existing platform?
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 26, 2020, 10:04:05 PM
Hi Stu,

Simple answer, cause otherwise it wonít fit. Itís deeper and has a back thatís meant to go against a bulkhead that in our boats doesnít exist.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 27, 2020, 11:15:02 AM
Continuing on the project from home today, getting ready to apply low density filler and then sand it down. Not sure why this platform keeps rotating my pictures?
If anyone is interested I have a YouTube channel, it pretty new and Iím very new at content creating so bear with me. Eventually when I finish the project I will be uploading a video if the whole process.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK47pXEAVBykhtJXC-K8NMw
Title: Re: New head
Post by: mark_53 on April 27, 2020, 11:19:38 AM
Did you see if it is operational with the new configuration?  I'm wondering about water level.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 27, 2020, 11:27:38 AM
Hi Mark, could you expand on your question? Not sure what you mean? Head came with a raw water pressure pump, unsure how the water level has an impact on the functionality of the head?
Title: Re: New head
Post by: mark_53 on April 27, 2020, 11:32:30 AM
I don't know much about how the head works but I know mine is below the waterline for some reason.  Your raw water pump may make that unnecessary. I just think it's a good idea to see if it actually functions well before doing the final fit up.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 27, 2020, 11:45:04 AM
There are different types of installations and in all cases a system can be arranged for it to work. If your head is below the water line then a hose routed through a vented loop above the waterline is all you need. Same with with the holding tank and itís discharge hose, if the tank is below the waterline a vented loop above the waterline is required for your discharge hose.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 27, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
Hereís the link to the heads manual, you can see all the options listed for the installation based on any particular case. https://www.xylem.com/siteassets/brand/jabsco/58xx0-technical-datasheet-en.pdf
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 27, 2020, 01:25:38 PM
Donít think I can get a job making wedding cakes anytime soon  :D
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Stu Jackson on April 29, 2020, 02:25:44 PM
Donít think I can get a job making wedding cakes anytime soon  :D

Maybe it's the color???   :D :D :D

Had you considered just a bigger base only?
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Noah on April 29, 2020, 03:14:44 PM
I think his goal was to not leave the back of the toilet open (exposing internal machinery/guts)? Making a bigger base and a panel to cover the back, may have been another way to go.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 29, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
One more layer of glass and I can fair and paint the outside. I will be glassing the inside as well so itís encapsulated to make it stronger and not let any smell or moisture impregnate the foam.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 29, 2020, 09:04:30 PM
I think his goal was to not leave to back of the toilet open (exposing internal machinery/guts)? Making a bigger base and a panel to cover the back, may have been another way to go.

I did, for a very short moment. This is what it would look like.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Noah on April 29, 2020, 09:41:30 PM
Using paint instead of gelcoat?
Title: Re: New head
Post by: ewengstrom on April 30, 2020, 03:31:40 AM
I've always felt the best remodeling job is one where you can't tell anybody worked there.
That's a great design Logo and looks well thought out, I can't wait to see the finished product.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 30, 2020, 11:23:03 AM
Using paint instead of gelcoat?

Probably, Iíve considered gelcoat but itís bridle and will crack over time I feel. Probably use a polyurethane paint, trick is going to be to match the colour as close as I can.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on April 30, 2020, 11:25:25 AM
I've always felt the best remodeling job is one where you can't tell anybody worked there.
That's a great design Logo and looks well thought out, I can't wait to see the finished product.
Thanks Eric! I canít wait till itís done either! Bought the boat just over a month ago and havenít been able to head out for more than a couple of hours because of the non functioning head. I hope I can get it all done in the next couple of weeks so I can head out for a weekend.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: ewengstrom on April 30, 2020, 12:21:00 PM
Ain't that funny.....the only thing working reliably on Ohana right now IS the head...other than that, I'm getting close on everything else.  :clap
Title: Re: New head
Post by: glennd3 on April 30, 2020, 05:26:16 PM
Nice job and thank you for the pictures!
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on May 01, 2020, 12:48:39 PM
Back on the boat today to check on clearances on back side of it so I can glass that part in.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on May 08, 2020, 12:48:28 PM
I didnít take many pictures of the process, Iím definitely not an expert and have spent more time fixing my mistakes so not really of anything benefit to anyone lol. Heading to the boat to do a final fit check and then itís paint time.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on May 09, 2020, 05:41:06 PM
Quick update, got the first coat of gel coat on it today. Probably a total of 3 to 4 coats with wet sanding in between. Iíd like to achieve a flat polished surface.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on May 18, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
Woohoo! Houston we have flushtoff! Took me far longer than I thought, work schedule and restrictions have made this a longer project than I had hoped for. All done now and the wait was worth it. I will post a link to the video as well but hereís a few pictures.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: jmcdonald on May 18, 2020, 06:30:19 PM
Nice job.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: mregan on May 21, 2020, 12:49:23 PM
Looks great
Title: Re: New head
Post by: rmjohns on January 27, 2021, 09:45:59 AM
Logo,  I've been following your head rework project.

For the head base platform in this thread, you do great work. It looks like you went with a gel-coat instead of a paint. Where/how did you find the matching gelcoat? it looks like a really good match for the Catalina interior gelcoat.

Thanks
Rob.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: waughoo on January 27, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
Very slick install!!
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Ron Hill on January 27, 2021, 02:30:43 PM
Antoni : Very nice job!!   :D

A thought
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on January 27, 2021, 07:03:24 PM
Logo,  I've been following your head rework project.

For the head base platform in this thread, you do great work. It looks like you went with a gel-coat instead of a paint. Where/how did you find the matching gelcoat? it looks like a really good match for the Catalina interior gelcoat.

Thanks
Rob.

LOL, I actually got stupid lucky colour matching! Used white gel coat and started adding yellow till I thought it was good.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: LogoFreak on January 27, 2021, 08:52:22 PM
Antoni : Very nice job!!   :D

A thought

Thanks! Itís was a fiddly process but Iím happy with how it came out. It was a test run for my upcoming hard dodger project ;-)
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Susan Ray on April 21, 2021, 02:00:55 PM
Aloha,
I had a new head installed and he made a teak pedestal that worked well. I will attach a pic for you.
Cheers, Susan
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Noah on April 21, 2021, 02:14:44 PM
Susan- what model head is yours?
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Susan Ray on April 21, 2021, 06:48:24 PM
It's a 2018 Marine Elegance by Raritian.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Noah on April 21, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
Susan- very interesting! Is it a straight-back or an angle-back model? Did your installer have to cut into the head compartment hull liner to fit/push toilet outboard to fit? Can you please post/PM or email me some additional pics from other angles? I am interested in installing the same unit.
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Susan Ray on May 07, 2021, 03:41:10 PM
Aloha,
Sorry I didn't get back sooner. I will attach more pics. The installer didn't modify anything but turned it slightly to stern, and add teak block.
Good Luck!
Title: Re: New head
Post by: Susan Ray on May 07, 2021, 03:43:56 PM
It wouldn't load other pics..heres one more. Hope they help.