Production year 10/87,
Model Year 88
Hull # 588
I need to replace the left tie down dog on my main saloon overhead hatch.
I am looking for the serial#/models# of the main saloon hatch. This is located on the forward portion of the frame attached to the hull. I can no longer read mine and based on what I understand I need this to call Pompanette, LLC. I have looked throughout their site, but have not been unable to locate what looks like the correct tie down dog.
I am assuming that boats produced around the same time as mine may have the same hatch assembly.
In my 1988 C34 I replaced the whole hatch for $99 with a new (discontinued hatch) perfect fit. Terry
As luck would have it, I dealt with this very issue yesterday... On our 1990, that hatch is a Bomar 1000 series, and I found a link to ID which hatch you have. Within each model's page is another link for a a parts diagram:
http://www.pompanette.com/pompweb.nsf/6a297635cb1b6c0585256794000a001f/0d25fe6f5413d2388525679f000c50e4?OpenDocument
http://www.pompanette.com/pompweb.nsf/731d6514ff5a8481852567be000745b2/751bb433eae55189852567c8006b12ea?OpenDocument
Between Bomar's photos of each part and the parts list, you should be able to confirm exactly which part you are looking for. I ended up buying what I needed through West Marine, but I also found another site, Hamilton Marine that seemed to have a very good selection, although I cannot speak to their business:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial&keyword=bomar&Ntt=bomar&N=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=All_2&ddkey=SiteSearch
http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/2,674.html
Confirm the part number from the Bomar site, then order from whomever suits your fancy, including Bomar direct.
On a slightly different note, Bomar states the following suggestion to deal with 3M 5200 sealant/adhesive that may become a factor:
Removing Hatches and Portlights Bedded in Polyurethane Adhesives.
Many boat manufactures in the past and present use 3M 5200 or a similar polyurethane adhesive to install hatches and portlights. This is great for providing a good water tight seal but it makes removing the hatch or port very difficult without damaging the gelcoat.
There is a product on the market called Anti-Bond 2015 that may help. Anti-Bond 2015 that maybe the solution. Anti-Bond 2015 can be sprayed on 3M 5200 causing it to debond without any delamination of the boat's gelcoat.
Good luck.
Steve : Why not give Bomar customer service a call @ (603)826-5791. You'll be surprised what a real person that you talk to, can help you with - rather than screwing around surfing a web site!! :roll:
Ron,
After looking in the Bomar catalogs at West Marine they suggested that I get the serial number located on the
front on the hatch frame and then call Bomar. This is what I am try to obtain.
CFSA Steve provided an excellent link for the 1000 series hatch. While some parts of this link appear the same the
tie down dogs do not.
Once I am able to obtain the serial number from the frame for a like year model I will contact Bomar as you suggested.
Thanks,
Steve
Stave : I just looked at my hatch in hull#788 also a 1988. I also have the height adjusting arm on the port side "dog" with a adjustable knob on that arm.
The serial number plate is on the fwd portion of the hatch and mine is - "88007609" .
Good luck! :thumb:
Ron,
Thanks for the additional information and effort, much appreciated.
Steve M.
Went out for a pleasant sail yesterday and upon returning to the slip and buttoning things up, we had a little accident. :cry4`
It seems we cracked the lens in our Bomar hatch in the Salon. I've searched the pompenette/Bomar site for a replacement number for the lens only but can't seem to find it. Is it possible to simply replace the lens and gasket? I would much rather do that than to order and install an entirely new hatch.
Ron, I'm especially curios to hear your reply on this and many other topics since you boat is hull# 788 and mine is #789.
Has anyone ever replaced only the lenser on the hatch and how did you get it? :abd:
I replaced the lens on the hatch over the V-berth. Simply called up Pompanette and told them what I needed and they shipped it right out with sealant too. Often the best best way to find parts like this is to call a real person...
Quote from: Ron Hill on May 14, 2007, 07:01:39 PM
Stave : I just looked at my hatch in hull#788 also a 1988. I also have the height adjusting arm on the port side "dog" with a adjustable knob on that arm.
The serial number plate is on the fwd portion of the hatch and mine is - "88007609" .
Good luck! :thumb:
I need some help on this one:
I just got off the phone with Bomar Customer service. I asked about ordering a replacement lens for my Bomar Hatch. They informed me that the lenses they are producing now are not exactly the same as those made for 1988 model year runs. However, I could take a few measurements and they could provide me a replacement.
Ron: I need your help here on this one. My serial # on my hatch is 88007637. That's only 27 hatches apart and since your hull# is 788 and mine is #791, I'm willing to bet we have the same hatch. That being said, I have provided the link to the Pompenette/Bomar site and I believe we have the series 2000 hatches (or very close). I have also attached a photo of my hatch showing approximate size (along with the unsightly crack). Basically what I am asking are: If you were to measure your hatch dimensions, what would they be? Customer service even asked to measure the height off the deck. I'm going to get down to my boat and double check my measurements but If you were to provide your measurements as well, it would give a great deal of peace of mind. .
BTW.... If I was to say from the catalogue which hatch is likely the same I would say it's the 2070-10AX
http://www.pompanette.com/pomp.nsf/0/CD47BC7D6912276685257795008055D0?Open
Kevin : Give me a call tomorrow (540) 891- 5297 so we talk.
I get tired of 2 finger pecking on this keyboard and I'm busy tonight!! Ron
Kevin,
How is your lens replacement project coming along? I have to do same for mine, and am trying to determine best way to remove hatch so I can do the work in my basement over the winter. I was planning on removing the hinge screws on the underside of the hatch top so I could take the top half home, but the screws look hopelessly siezed. So other options are to remove whole hatch, or pop out the hinge pins, though the two hinges seem too close together to allow that. Or I can just do the work on the hatch while it is on the boat. Do you have a recommendation?
Hi Bob,
one handed finger typing right now after just having shoulder surgery. I have not yet started the hatch replacement. Ill update when i
I do. Good luck on yours and let us know what you do. :abd:
Guys : Not know for sure, but Bob in his 1992 may have a Lewmar like the 93 & 94 C34s !?!
Hi Ron,
Mine is definitely a Bomar - the Bomar label is still on it . I saw an old post of yours where you also did a lens replacement, and removed the hatch so you could work on it at home. How did you remove yours?
Bob : I think you may have missed one of my posts.
When I tried to drill out the hinge pins I had a 1/4" drill bit break off in the hinge. I tried to get the the broken drill bit out, but couldn't!!
At that point I said "screw it" and replaced the entire hatch - see the Mainsheet tech notes.
Ron,
I did miss that post. A likely ending for a project like that!
For future reference, if someone is simply looking to replace a hatch lens because it's cracked or just crazed and looking old, we've simply removed the lens from the frame and taken it to a plastics shop. They used the old lens as a template and cut a new one to match. We've done this for both the v-berth and saloon hatches - fairly easy job as well. Economical and takes the worry about ordering the correct lens.
Steve
Steve
Does the plastics shop provide the same materiel?? When you did this, was it easy to reuse any gasket? I have lots of crazing in mine.
Another Question for all: I'm not at the boat now but the photo earlier in this post looks like my hatch over the V-berth. That hatch has a screwy detent system in the hinge to hold it open. I guess being an 89 these detents have worn because the don't hold it well and a couple of times it has slammed hard. Now I bungee it open or block it open for smaller openings.
Can a slide with a tightening screw be added to these???
Just wondering and planning for the spring headaches work.
Steve
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Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?
Steve,
I had the same issue a few years ago. I bought a hinge rebuild kit and that solved the problem. I purchased from Florida Rigging and Hydraulics.
Reviving this old topic for an update..... I know I'll probably get grief for taking soooo long to finally replace this hatch but the time had come.
Firstly... There are 3 holidays that I do not get out and sail on. They are: Memorial Day. 4th of July and Labor Day. Too many crazies and besides.. It makes a great time to catch up on some maintenance projects.
So it was for this weekend. I finally steeled my nerves to cut the old cracked hatch lens in the main salon. I thoroughly cleaned the frame and cut the new gasket to fit. I used 3M marine grade silicone sealant to lay the bed of silicone for the hatch lens and allowed it to cure for the full 24 hours as per the instructions. The installation went very well and everything seemed to fit just right. However, I thought the replacement gasket for the lens was a bit thicker than the lens gasket that I removed. Nevertheless, I completed the replacement and let the project sit till today. I reinstalled the hardware for the hatch and replaced O rings along the way. As much as I tried, I could not easily close the hatch fully because of the thickness of the gasket and not allowing the handles to clear the bottom lip of the hatch frame to secure in place.
With some minor pressure my wife and I were able to close and secure the hatch to do a water tight test. Thankfully, the hatch and leans is watertight and the replacement was a success. However, I'm puzzled by the thick gasket the clearance to easily move the dogs to close the hatch.
I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this issue.
I'm considering getting a couple more nylon washers and longer screws to gain the additional 1/8 -1/4" of space that I need.
Any ideas? :abd:
Hey Kevin, we did have another discussion about gaskets not long ago; it was with respect to the V-Berth hatch but it may help....
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,6570.0.html
Good information on the first page but then the first entry on the second page shows an image of three gaskets. I suspect the gasket may be your cause.
Regardless of the cause though, I would definitely do something to relieve that pressure on the dogs. With temperature changes etc. I suspect it's only a matter of time before either the lens cracks or a dog breaks. Also using a longer screw is a terrific idea, you don't want to reduce the number of threads securing it. A PO of my boat used a shorter one on one side and it ripped out the few threads it was contacting.
Let us know.
S
Quote from: Ron Hill on December 19, 2012, 03:29:34 PM
Bob : I think you may have missed one of my posts.
When I tried to drill out the hinge pins I had a 1/4" drill bit break off in the hinge. I tried to get the the broken drill bit out, but couldn't!!
At that point I said "screw it" and replaced the entire hatch - see the Mainsheet tech notes.
Do you happen to remember how much a new hatch was?
Thanks Steve,
That was a good link and I'm glad someone documented the issue a better than me.
NOTE!! The photos in the following link refer to the Lewmar hatch in the forward V Berth. NOT the Bomar hatch located in the Salon of which this discussion concerns.
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,6570.0.html
That first post on the second page with the closeup of the 3 diffrent gaskets clearly identifies the issue I ran accross.
The middle gasket in the picture is identical to the gasket that I had removed from the hatch.
The gasket on the right in the photo is exactly like the new gasket that I installed.
Not exactly clear in the photo but one can tell that the gasket on the right is probaly a good 1/8" taller.
I'm hoping the nylon shims and longer screws will take care of the problem. Otherwise the seal is perfectly bone dry.
I'll let everyone know how I come out over the next weekend and I'll try to document a little better. :abd:
Guys : Be careful about your posts and make sure you are talking about the correct hatch -- Vberth hatch or the salon hatch!?!
Also about 1992 or 1993 Catalina started to install a Lewmar salon hatch instead of the Bomar center hatch.