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Title: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Bill Shreeves on October 24, 2022, 01:31:04 PM
Thinking about installing 1-1/4" aluminum T-Track on port and std toe rail.  What length 5/16" screws should I use?
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Noah on October 24, 2022, 01:45:19 PM
Screws?? I would think you use through bolts? Which is why I have not done it on mine. Too hard.
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Bill Shreeves on October 24, 2022, 01:53:29 PM
You can through bolt from the top of the toe rail?  I guess I need to take a close look from the interior at the joint.  Sounds like some really demanding boat yoga...
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Ron Hill on October 24, 2022, 02:16:29 PM
Guys : Does anyone know how the factory installed that genoa toe rail??  I'm not too sure if it is thru bolted or not?  Maybe a call down to Warren Tandy in Florida might help?  @ (727) 544- 6681.

A thought
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: waughoo on October 24, 2022, 09:12:57 PM
I can't see a situation where sheetmetal screws could EVER hold the load being asked of that T track.  I have it on my boat and would be extremely surprised if I didn't find bolts and washers underneath.
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Jon W on October 24, 2022, 10:26:32 PM
Every Catalina I looked at a few years ago, the outboard track was thru bolted. I added a block and diamond pad eye by the exhaust fan cowls port and starboard instead.
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Holger Dieske on October 25, 2022, 02:15:36 AM
... they are screwed. I just put the front feet for my arch on it a few weeks ago. the (rear) nuts are to starboard next to the aft cabin cupboard (I cut a hole in there to get at them) and to port behind the engine control panel.

Holger
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Noah on October 25, 2022, 09:12:23 AM
Holgar — Are you saying the jib track is attached with bolts and nuts or is it screwed on with self-tapping screws? I am not sure if your google translate got this issue confused?
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Holger Dieske on October 25, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
... bolts and nuts!
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Holger Dieske on October 25, 2022, 11:36:14 PM
there, at the rear end of the rail, I screwed the foot on (bolted through):
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: karista on October 26, 2022, 07:20:01 AM
Quote from: Ron Hill on October 24, 2022, 02:16:29 PM
Guys : Does anyone know how the factory installed that genoa toe rail??  I'm not too sure if it is thru bolted or not?  Maybe a call down to Warren Tandy in Florida might help?  @ (727) 544- 6681.

A thought

Ron, I am the original owner and the boat came with the outside optional genoa toe rail. The toe rail is thru bolted with washers and nuts on the inside!
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Noah on October 26, 2022, 09:33:42 AM
 :thumb: Thx B
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Bill Shreeves on October 27, 2022, 07:46:26 PM
Nuts and Bolts it is.  Now I just need to see how accessible it is, or isn't, to do that....
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Ron Hill on October 28, 2022, 02:50:52 PM
Bill : Now that the deck portion of the C34 has been mated to the hull portion - I'm afraid that your accessibility to the under side of the toe rail is VERY limited!!   :cry4`

A thought
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: waughoo on October 28, 2022, 03:29:47 PM
The port side toe rail can likely be done, albeit with a challenge.  The stbd side has the aft cabin liner covering the toe rail area for most of the run making that near impossible without cutting the hull liner for access.
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Noah on October 28, 2022, 04:32:07 PM
Hence my previous comment: i would love to have them, but I fear "too hard" to execute.
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Holger Dieske on October 29, 2022, 01:51:49 AM
On the starboard side I removed the paneling on the ceiling in the aft cabin to get at the nuts. for the backmost 2 or 3 I had to cut a hole in the small cupboard on the back side.
On the port side I took out the engine control panel to get at the rear 2 or 3 nuts, I got the others by lying down in the locker (under the port bench seat in the cockpit).
Since I was only interested in the rear part of the rail, I don't know exactly whether and how far forward it goes.
But I'll be back on the boat in Italy in a few weeks and could take a look, since I didn't manage to reinstall the paneling in the aft cabin the last time.

Holger
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Holger Dieske on October 29, 2022, 01:55:18 AM
The Bolts are about 10centimeters long
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: waughoo on October 29, 2022, 09:38:45 AM
Noah,

I was at the boat last night and I believe it could be done.  The aft cabin valance strip (where the lights are installed) has a vinyl wrapped cover.  Once removed, the spot where the bolts protrude becomes visible.  As Holger says, at some point it will be behind the aft bulkhead.  When I had my water tank out, I was able to get above the closet area to reach those spots.  I can't say it would be easy, but one could do it.
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Noah on October 29, 2022, 11:09:35 AM
Thx Alex! But at my age and somewhat waning ambition level for boat yoga, I am more and more attaching a scale of "difficulty vs rate of return" to all of my projects. I have moved outboard tracks and their possible resultant speed gain, to pretty low on my list.
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: waughoo on October 29, 2022, 11:43:46 AM
That thought occurred to me as I wrote the message.  To get to the aft end of the track from the lazzerette is QUITE a significant yoga possition.
Title: Re: Install toe rail 1-1/4" T-Track
Post by: Holger Dieske on October 30, 2022, 03:10:51 AM
... no, If you Cut a round hole (for your Hand) in the cupboard its realy easy!
Holger