Hi I have a lot of spare parts but I would like to know where to buy a starter for my M35Bc 1997. It's very expensive at westerbeke dealer and I want just a spare. Any idea. Thank you.
Andre
From your Kubota beaker or online. It's Kubota V1300 engine block. I'd choose Kubota unless from online you know the source/quality and whether it's a cheap knock off.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kubota+starter+V1305&oq=kubota+starter+V1300
Thank you Ken, It's for a spare is it the same for a v1300 and the v1305
Andre
Apologies I meant to type It's a Kubota V1305 engine block in my post.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kubota+starter+V1305
Ken
Ok now you have me thinking :? I've not thought a spare starter was needed, but for under $80, may be I should. I believe starters are robust things and has been my experience usually give some signs when failing. My question is, how much trouble has the group experienced with failed starters? Is it worth it to have a spare on board? Knowing some depends on how far you cruise from a supplier.
Jim
Jim : In my old M25XP engine the starter was sill going strong when I changed it out @ 5,000 hrs. That old engine had OTHER Big problems.
I might mention that I let the glow plugs do there job (added the solenoid mod.) so all I needed to do was "touch" the starter!!
When I went south, the only extra spares (other than spares normally carried) was an extra transducer for the depth finder and a spare fresh water pump. I needed neither!!
A few thoughts
My motor has 2000 hrs, so having a starter for spare is just a security because when you are in Bahamas island alone it's very hard to find store. There is Nassau and Georgetown where the plane can goes. After that you can wait a week or two to have the stock and pay 20.00 each time that you change the door for custom. I have the experience with that, so I don't have all the parts but alternator, fuel lift pump, strap, impeller ect. That why I would like a starter but I don't want to pay to much. It's good for me I'm learning my English. Ha ha
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Is it worth it to have a spare on board?
[IMO] not for most owners. rather treat the starter as a maintenance item. @ say 10 years, have a shop check it out, replace/rebuild to new condition, and be good for another period, and DON'T abuse it. However, as you say, a cheapo spare is not a big money drain -- but just another thing to carry aboard -- pretty soon parts get onerous.
Where do you draw the line? spare Hx? spare seawater pump? spare tranny? spare injection pump? spare coolant pump? spare prop? spare solenoid? spare oil pump? spare lift pump? spare engine (2) circuit breakers (B engines,) Any one of those puts you out of business. I dunno where that line would be. I suppose the answer is, whatever you don't want to break, carry a spare because that assures something else will.
In my opinion, Andre, who sails from Canada to the Bahamas multi-times, is entitled to bring all the spares that give him comfort—without critique. :thumb: 8)
Quote from: Noah on October 11, 2020, 06:09:13 PM
In my opinion, Andre, who sails from Canada to the Bahamas multi-times, is entitled to bring all the spares that give him comfort—without critique. :thumb: 8)
Also consider how often one starts their engine. Sounds like Andre starts more than average.
Noah,
I don't think Ken was being critical but rather pointing out the other side of the equation of how many spares do you need to carry. Personally I think it's how many it takes to give you piece of mind, one of those YBYC situations. Early on I collected a lot of spares, the problem for me was keeping track of them and after years of not needing them remembering which spares I had. As I became more familiar with my boat I realized I could start eliminating spares by focusing on excellent maintenance. Spares wise about the only things I carry now are; a fuel pump, impeller, fanbelt, and a hose repair kit. Seems to work for me, Andre will have to decide what works for him.
I think the issue is what parts do you have onboard that are hard to find or source and/or expensive, when you are cruising far from your home base—and breakdown.
Yeah, I tend to be closer to Noah on this issue. My boat is 30 years old this year, with original M25xp and Hurth transmission running strong. The parts seem to be more difficult to source, and the replacements (if any) are often not drop-ins. When last week I saw a rebuilt Hurth HBW-50 locally for $350 on Craigslist, I jumped on it. I carry the recommended spare parts, including a fuel pump. But when I go for an extended cruise in a couple of years I will carry at least a spare starter, the tranny, and alternator-- in addition to what's on board now.
Patches
Just don't keep 3 used impellers on board. Throw old stuff away.
Quote from: Noah on October 12, 2020, 08:48:27 AM
I think the issue is what parts do you have onboard that are hard to find or source and/or expensive, when you are cruising far from your home base—and breakdown.
True.
From the 101 Topics:
Spares for a Long Cruise 101 - Thanks to Steve Dolling
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4590.0.html
Thank you for all. So I can't go this year to Bahamas because of the covid virus, I will have time for preparing my next long trip and thinking about the spare parts that I will bring with me.
@Noah @Kevin
I'm not sure that Noah was reacting to my post, but... (ir)regardless I was answering Jim's question, not critiquing what Andre' should carry. He didn't ask whether he should carry a starter, it was a fait accompli.
Yes, anyone/everyone has different needs and of course there's a key difference between maintenance-spares (impellers) and equipment-spares, but beyond that -- my point, poorly made, is that MORE importantly there's equipment that can be maintained so they're not as important to carry a spare (presuming of course that the equipment is indeed periodically maintained.)
Just as an example -- (just an example, for heaven's sake, not a critique of anyone) some need more equipment spares than I would. BUT, the key is WHICH equipmnt are most likely to fail? As Ron attested-to, the starters are ROBUST. A coolant pump, maybe not so much. A water pump bearing gets much more use/potential wear than a does a starter. But either one failing (or any one of the other equipment items in my list) has exactly the same end -- no engine. So those statements being true, which items are most important to carry spares? My answer is on top the list should be the one(s) that cannot be maintained. The starter and alternator can be tested and refurbed to as-new condition (i.e., you DON'T NEED to wait until one fails.) The coolant pump can't -- it's simply replaced, so (IMO) it pays to carry a spare because I'm not going to pull and "maintain it" every year (although I suppose I could preemptively change it every 10 years.)
So back to Jim's point -- so if you need to cull the list, the rationale which are the more-critical equipment spares to carry, can be based on maintenance. There is nothing I am going to do to "maintain" a coolant or injector pump (on a periodic basis) to prevent them from failing in the coming "X" period of time. Versus a starter or alternator or seawater pump (that I can periodically maintain to near-new condition.)
In the same idea, is there anyone who has remove his starter on a M35bc. I think that is a big job, as I saw I think that I need to remove alternator and all the hose and no place to see the bolt on the left side of the starter. I would like to remove the starter and maybe rebuilt while I have the time for that . Thank you
Andre, while I haven't specifically tried to remove the starter motor on the M35BC in my boat I have learnt a couple of things while trouble shooting my alarm system.
1) Before working on the starter motor side of the engine remove the panel behind the lower stairs, it's amazing how my disposition improved with better access. 6 screws and 2 minutes.
2) The alternator, mine is the Mando, comes off really easily. Just a point on this, the hose from the exhaust manifold coolant overflow to the expansion tank was jammed behind the alternator and happily chaffing it's way to a leak on my boat. Any MkII boats should probably give this a look.
3) If you work on the rear of the engine and the heat exchanger, pull the cabinetry in the aft cabin that covers the transmission. Again it's about 6 screws, takes 5 minutes and the improvement is tremendous, the damaged knuckles are reduced to a tolerable level. This also makes aligning the engine/coupling a simple job.
The last point makes working on the glowplug solenoid debacle almost enjoyable, well maybe not!
Andre,
Another thing just occurred to me, if you're going to carry a spare starter or any other replacement component for that matter, it would be a good idea to make sure you have the tools necessary to make the swap. That spare whatever isn't going to do you much good if you can't make the swap.
Guys : Many of the people that I know of that went south, also carried their old OEM alternator - as a "just in case".
Another thought