Apologies if this has been covered before. Just bought a 03 Cat 34 and it's my first time with a boat that has a propane cooktop and stove. Can someone explain to me how one can use a propane stove in a small space without gassing themselves? I recall many people dying after the ice storm of 98 in Quebec when they lost power and used propane BBQ's in their house for warmth.
I'm no expert on the subject. Here is my take. I think that you cook for a shorter time than you would run a heater. Shorter time less co and co2 build up.
Jim
I think Jim has the right idea. Also when you are cooking it is during the day time and you are probably in an out, and vents/hatches are open, but basically there is some sort of air circulation. At night time (I assume that is when most people die CO2 build up) we usually close the space up (and also to keep the heat in), thus you are also not ventilating the space.
That said if you run the oven too long, you could have a similar problem and i do remember reading NOT to use the oven as a heater. Any form of combustion is dangerous to oxygen breathers in a confined unventilated space. Better to get warm covers and get close. :wink:
Quote from: Stucker on September 26, 2016, 05:00:01 PM
Apologies if this has been covered before. Just bought a 03 Cat 34 and it's my first time with a boat that has a propane cooktop and stove. Can someone explain to me how one can use a propane stove in a small space without gassing themselves? I recall many people dying after the ice storm of 98 in Quebec when they lost power and used propane BBQ's in their house for warmth.
Houses are incredibly tight, especially in the winter (i.e., <<after the ice storm of 98 in Quebec when they lost power and used propane BBQ's in their house for warmth>>) when you DON'T want and go to lengths to prevent outside air infiltrating. Not so on the boat.
-kk
People cook in their houses with propane all over. What's the issue? How can one compare cooking with un-intelligent use of propane heaters? It's like folks who die from running charcoal BBQs for heat. I'm sorry for their tragedies, but it's plain stupid.
Hi,
As mentioned by others, your boat is not air tight like our houses.
SO there is always air circulating.
And in our case, the companionway door is always open when we are on the boat.
On another note, I worry more about propane settling in the bilge as it is heavier than air. There have been cases where boat explosions have occurred when owners have left a unlit burner open and gas escapes to the bilge. As a safety precaution I keep the valve closed at the tank and the solenoid to the stove closes at all times when not using the stove. I immediately close both solenoid and valve when we are thru cooking. Gives me piece of mind.
Jack
Curious if anyone has put an opening port in the fixed portlight above the stove? Similar idea to the opening Beckson port in the head.
Quote from: Jack Hutteball on September 27, 2016, 04:56:07 PM
On another note, I worry more about propane settling in the bilge as it is heavier than air. There have been cases where boat explosions have occurred when owners have left a unlit burner open and gas escapes to the bilge. As a safety precaution I keep the valve closed at the tank and the solenoid to the stove closes at all times when not using the stove. I immediately close both solenoid and valve when we are thru cooking. Gives me piece of mind.
Jack
Having CNG gives me peace of mind...don't have to worry about leaking gas at all.
Stucker : When people are trying to heat the inside of a house with propane, charcoal, kerosene heaters etc. - the home/house is closed up.
I doubt that you'd close the dorade vents and seal the boat up when you're using your propane stove.
There is always some fresh air circulating inside a C34!!
A thought
Meanwhile, all of the "what ifs" aside...I highly recommend you install a carbon monoxide alarm on your boat.
Speaking of detectors, it's easy to find CO detectors that are stand-alone battery powered, but have had a hard time finding a propane detector that doesn't need to be plugged in to a source of power. Any suggestions on sources or manufacturers? Thanks.
Quote from: Steve_in_lex on September 29, 2016, 06:57:43 AM
Speaking of detectors, it's easy to find CO detectors that are stand-alone battery powered, but have had a hard time finding a propane detector that doesn't need to be plugged in to a source of power. Any suggestions on sources or manufacturers? Thanks.
Why not use a 12 volt detector? Camping World will have one or do a google for 'em.
-kk
Two different subjects here:
1. Carbon monoxide detector
2. Propane detector
For carbon monoxide detector/alarm, I use regular 9v battery powered home unit
For LP (propane) leak detector I use hardwired gas/fume detection system From Fireboy-Xintex with built-in solenoid LP off/on switch and sniffer module in bilge. There are a couple of other leak detectors out there but all require 12v hardwire i believe.
Okay, thanks. I was hoping for a AA battery-driven propane detector. Looks like a wired connection is in order.
fyi, from the C355 forum...
Thought I'd follow up on my post for completeness sake and show what I installed for a CO detector and LPG detector.
For CO I used two Fireboy-Xintex alarms, one in each cabin. They are wired together so that the one will set off the other. You can also determine which alarm activated.
For the LPG detector I used the Fireboy-Xintex S-1A. It is wired to the solenoid and will turn it off and sound an alarm if it detects gas. Of course, I now have to turn on 2 switches to get the solenoid on. :-/
-Bob.
FYI, we invited all the C355 skippers to join us here, they declined. We've been administering their memberships since they started out. They started their own Google group. They have been reinventing the wheel since they started out. Nice fellas, and have "come up with" all sorts of good electrical and alarm systems. You know, all the stuff we covered years ago.
I'm catching up on my magazine reading. I read in "Good Old Boat" July/August page 9 Gregg Tranter of Calgary claimed headaches were caused by dirty propane burners. A sign of dirty burners is a yellow flame. The cure is to remove burners and turn upside down and cleaned. He claimed about 2 tablespoons of carbon came from each burner.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Hardesty on September 30, 2016, 08:32:33 AM
headaches were caused by dirty propane burners. The cure is to remove burners and turn upside down and cleaned. Jim
WOW who knew. I complain that it gives me headaches when I have to clean something (anything.) Now what's my excuse? Thanks a lot, jim. :rolling :rolling :rolling
Quote from: Stu Jackson on September 30, 2016, 08:28:54 AM
FYI, we invited all the C355 skippers to join us here, they declined.
LOL. I KNEW that baiting was going to elicit a reply. :rolling :rolling Just not that quickly.
Maybe it's a horse/liquid refreshment thing, Stu?
Quote from: KWKloeber on September 30, 2016, 08:42:08 AM
Quote from: Stu Jackson on September 30, 2016, 08:28:54 AM
FYI, we invited all the C355 skippers to join us here, they declined.
LOL. I KNEW that baiting was going to elicit a reply. :rolling :rolling Just not that quickly.
Maybe it's a horse/liquid refreshment thing, Stu?
It's 0958 here, Ken. Maybe for you, but not for me!!! :D :D :D
Stu, you lost me there. Brain must be on slow speed today. What does the time of day have to do with leading a horse to water?
Kk
"Liquid refreshment?" Not ring a bell??? :D :D :D
Horse/liquid refreshment = leading a horse to water? ie. the 355s?
never mind, getting too near the weekend to work my brain out. :D
Guys : Any time you see a yellow flame on a gas stove (propane/boat or natural gas/home) it is an inefficient flame. The flame should always burn "Blue".
A thought
Quote from: Ron Hill on October 01, 2016, 11:53:35 AM
Guys : Any time you see a yellow flame on a gas stove (propane/boat or natural gas/home) it is an inefficient flame. The flame should always burn "Blue".
A thought
:) Agreed!