Having recently installed new forward cleats and a bow roller I am now contemplating the installation of an anchor windlass. Can anyone tell me what Catalina installs as an anchor windlass on their new 34s? I am looking at the Maxwell 500 and with tackle weighing in at about 110 lbs it looks like it would handle those weights. Any thoughts out there?
Bill
Perhaps you've seen Mark Elkins' work on the Projects page: http://www.c34.org/projects/projects-anchor-windlass-rose.html
Bill : You need to join the C34IA. In this past issue (Feb 2006) Steve Lyle our C34 Tech Ed post two articles regarding your very question. One on Mark's electric windless and another on Al Cameron's manual windless.
Great articles in those Mainsheet Tech Note articles!!!! Join our Association and get the Mainsheet Catalina Owners magizine published every quarter. :thumb:
Actually Ron I've been a member of C34IA since I bought my boat, have a copy of every tech note that was ever written, and read them over and over.They are a great tool, and one of the reasons that makes owning a 34 so much fun. I have learned so much.
The Feb 2006 tech notes don't answer my question, Mark Elkins installed a Lewmar Anchorman, now discontinued and Allen Cameron installed a manual windlass. I wanted to know what Catalina installs now as standard equipment and whether the group thought that the Maxwell 500 would be sufficient.
Bill : Sorry, glad you're a member.
A friend installed a Maxwell windless this past winter in his 1989 C34. He talked to Maxwell and decided to install an 800 so it wouldn't be underpowered. Think his rational was correct as the larger windless (more hp/torque) will last longer over time.
A thought. :think
Bill...for your info...my 2005 MK II (1719) manufactured ( I guess) about 1 yr ago at this time and it has a Maxwell VW 500 and it handles very well my anchor (Bruce 33lbs) and 50' of chain.
I hope that's what you're looking for.
Serge
Bill,
Our 2003 came with a Maxwell 800 and it works fine. Even with the winch I normally motor up until we are just over the anchor and then use the winch. If at all possible I do not use the winch to pull us against the wind or current.
I have a Maxwell 500 in a 1999 MkII and it seems to handle as much 1/4" hi-test chain as I have to put out to securely anchor (I have 200+ ft). But the last two posts lead one to believe that Catalina has put both Maxwell 500s and 800s into the anchor lockers of Mark IIs in recent years. Could that be true?
The threads and projects I have seen here describe a deck-mounted vertical windlass installation. The factory installed windlasses are mounted inside the anchor locker. Anyone know if the anchor locker on a 1989 C34 is sturdy enough to have the windlass mounted inside, or what kind of reinforcement would be necessary?
Chris
ChriSea #832
Remember that if you mount a Maxwell 500 windlass inside the anchor locker so that the drum is horizontal as it is in the MK IIs then you can't use the window provided in the motor casing to check if the oil level is ok. The only way to check the oil level is to remove the windlass which I would bet very few of us are doing with any regularity.
Bill,
What bow cleats and roller did you install? I am about to do the same with a windless sometime in the future. Jerry
I installed the Schaeffer 60-200 cleats (8 inches) and a Windline CR-1 roller.
Check my installation in the Projects section of the website.
Mike
Reading this through I still do not know where Catalina is putting the windlass. ? I was just at a boat store where I was advised to mount the windlass in the opening hatch cover and let the line drop into the well. ?? Anyone have a picture of where the windlass is on the deck? IN the well? or where? If so please send off list to Sailsman10@comcast.net ...Thanks Terry
I don't have a picture, but I do have a new boat. Mine has a hole in the anchor locker cover; the windlass sticks up through this hole. They said Catalina does it this way now because you can easily use the windlass to lift someone up the mast, hoist a dink aboard, etc. I don't remember the brand or model--think Maxwell? Maxell?.
Terry : If you've done any reading at all on windlesses in a C34 you would have found that the FIRST C34 with a anchor well installed windless is a 1989!!
You don't have that or a subsequent year C34 anchorwell configuration to do that type of installation!! It's horizontal and inside the anchor well. :cry4`
What I am asking is..IS there anyone who would send me a photo of the configuration they are using? I have a windlass electrical set up on the boat and wires led to the anchor locker by PO. I also have some left over (holes from screws or bolts) where it appears a windlasss had previously been installed. However, I have seen other boats with many different configurations and wanted to explore all possibiolities before starting this project. I am under the impression that is the main reason for the forum. To share ideas.
Lastly, I am new to this boardand the association but not new to computers. I have had a difficult time finding and accessing the information in the format presented on the disc and on line. Each time I ask a direct question someone comes on and tells me to check this or read this previous post. That is all fine if you can find it.
Having been a member of the O'Day association and also the Pearson group and in comparing the three I can tell you this is not the most user friendly.
Terry
please if you have a photo send to Sailsman10@comcast.net
Terry, I understand and share your frustration with this board but this is truly a great source of information and there are lots of helpful people here. Ron Hill (to name one) has been a great source for ideas and solutions to problems.
I myself just recently added a 35 lb CQR (in addition to my 10 lb Fortress FX-16), so I've now moved installing a windlass up to the top of my projects list. I'd be interested in what you decide to do and sharing any photos.
Cheers,
Rick
Terry, I sense a certain amount of frustration in your comments, and please believe me that I DO understand. One of the many issues that we have faced in the past TWENTY YEARS is that there is almost TOO MUCH information available. This is thanks to the great community of C34 owners, including you, who have contributed over the years.
I discussed the background of the website and the different types of information in my recent post, "Guide to the C34 Website" at http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?topic=2629.0. A number of years ago, another new member vociferously complained about "our attitude" in responding to his and others' questions by saying "go look it up," and I was personally challenged to continually remind myself that it is important to guide fellow skippers and not to berate them. I've continued to try to do that with including references in my posts and developing posts like the one mentioned above. I will continue to try to help you ("I am under the impression that is the main reason for the forum. To share ideas." "That is all fine if you can find it.").
You're right, but sometimes folks just simply do not have the answers to your specific question, just yet. There is also the reality that of the 1700+ C34s produced to date, a bit less than half (710) are members of the C34IA, and, of those, experience indicates that only a small percentage are active on the board based on the recurrence of the contributors. There has been a flood a new members to this Board, and we welcome that. I continue to be proud of those members who repeatedly donate their time, effort and contributions on a regular basis, and without whom this website would cease to be of value. Many of them have also expanded their volunteer technical enthusiasm and become active participants in the Association, which benefits all C34 owners.
One of things you may have noticed about this 'site is that it has a minimum of pictures compared to other 'sites, although some early ones may be found at www.c34.org, in Voyages and Gallery. I recall that we discussed this recently in your wallpaper post. As noted in the FAQs, "Why I Bought a C34," there seem to be a lot of engineer-types who are willing to verbally discuss and describe their experiences and efforts, hence the voluminous Tech Notes, FAQs and Projects. It's been only rather recently that photographic evidence of work has come to the fore, in both the Tech Notes and right here on the message board. One of the reasons for the lack of a response to your questions about windlasses may simply be that no one has taken pictures of their installations other than those who have already contributed theirs to the Projects section, or the Tech Notes. I'm sure you're aware that there are two pages of results on a search on the word "windlass" on this board, and I don't see that any have pictures.
Sometime searching IS hard. I've found it sometimes difficult here, myself, in trying to find answers for questions instead of saying "go look it up, it's already there." Sometimes I take the time to find what someone is looking for and give them the link, simply because I've spent so much time here, both contributing and learning, and can recall helpful search queries to find the earlier answers. There is a LOT of reading to do, but I hope that asking questions continues, because we want, to the best of our ability, to help find the answers for you.
One of the other suggestions I have made over the years is that folks take the time to copy and paste the Tech Notes Index onto their word processors to make searching easier, because, quite frankly, the search engine on the www.c34.org portion of the website leaves a lot to be desired. Accordingly, I will create a separate post and provide my copy of the Tech Notes Index (which I created in 1998 and which grew into the TNO) and post it on the Message Board.
It's here: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?topic=3096.0
It does not include the past few issues (it goes from 1987 to 2004, OK?), but you'll get the idea. Perhaps the MB search engine will work on this new MB post better , but you can always cut & paste it to your own word processing program and use CNTL-F to find any words you want. Also, a feature I just discovered: If you do a search from any of the basic MB pages, you will find another "search" to the left of the words "search results" at the upper left of the first posting of your initial results. Click on the word search to the left of search results. This new page will allow you to refine your search. This is another carefully hidden, but available, feature from the makers of our software package. Sorry, we didn't write the software, we're just using it, as are many other associations. [Added note 8/8/06: an easier way to do this is just to click on Advanced Search!]
I also understand your concern about finding information on the disk. We have had questions about this, too, and I recommended the following: "You could also take your C34IA CD-ROM, stick it in your computer's CD drive, and use Window's "Find" for a search on these topics." One of the reasons for this is that the search feature on the disc, as I understand it, is "way old" computer technology, since it was developed in 2001, light years ago in computer time. The filenames, which are pretty straightforward, on the files on the CD are available on your "D" drive in Windows Explore, too.
I also encourage folks to respond to the MB rather than separate emails to respondents, so that we all can view the pictures that may be available. This post was helpful: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?topic=2720.0. Perhaps a photo of your particular setup that you've described in your most recent post would encourage some other responses.
Thank you again, for contributing and explaining your issues and concerns. Please keep pointing out those areas that we can improve upon. Remembering that this is an all volunteer group, we really do want to help.
Terry : With all of that experience from the O'Days' and Pearsons' and general computer knowledge; I'm sure that David (on the Web site), Mark (in Projects)and any others would be more than happy that you volunteered to help them make our C34 site better. :wink:
Ron, you are acting like a jerk here. I had a concern and voiced it and just because you seem to know the most about the boat(s) does not mean you need to be demeaning. Terry
It's funny, I started this topic in April with an inquiry about anchor windlasses and was chastised for not being a member nor researching the topic properly. I had to point out that I was a member and that prior topics did not answer my question.
Four months later and a lot of useful and varying information, BUT not much has changed, members are still chastised for what are perceived as dumb questions. What ever happped to civility?
For those in search of a picture. Horizontal mounting in anchor well. Hull #1090, 1990, Mk 1.5. It's amazing how a picture highlights dirt. The anchor well was scrubbed the weekend after I took the pictures!
Not trying to pile on. But everyone needs to be aware of when you are asking for things. For many of us the boat is at least an hour away. We only get to be aboard on the weekends. Personnally I leave the computer at home on the weekends. As much as I enjoy reading and contributing, I take a break on the weekend. I'll use Terry as an example only because he is the most recent. Terry you asked your first picture question on Saturday, then sent what was perceived as a blast on Sunday. Not alot of chance to respond. I saw your request on Monday, but got caught up in "honey does" and didn't get around to posting my picture till today. We do this because it is a passion. Unfortunately most of us have full time jobs so we have to work around them. If you don't like the service either figure out a way to help (which was Ron's point) or find a different place to ask. If you don't like this board I suggest Catalinaowners.com as an alternative.
Ken : Thanks for the picture of a 1989 anchor well with a factory installed windless.
From 1989 to present (18 years of production) the C34 anchor well with factory installed windless essentially has not changed. Have always looked at them at the boat shows with envy. :cry4`
The electrical plan, DC, drawing # 34-72003-3, shows a Maxwell 800 windlass. This is available at Manuals: http://www.c34.org/manuals/c34-mkII-owners-manual.pdf
As previously noted, thanks to Tom Lanzilli for the c34 Mark II manual and Universal engine manuals and Dave Sanner for posting them.
Scotty : Look at Ken's reply (#22) and that's what all C34 factory installations look like 1989 and thereafter !!
You have a choice of having the windlass on the deck or in the anchor well. You have to make that choice.
It sure wasn't "dramatic" for me to choose and figure out how to put it in the anchor well !! I sure didn't want the windlass motor hanging down into the overhead of the Vberth. A thought
Thanks Ron for the reply. A question: It sounds from Wayne's reply (#14), that the windless sticks up thought the anchor locker cover in his 2006 model. Does that mean that it is above the level of the deck? If that's the case perhaps someone might send a picture if you can. It would be interesting to see. Or, it might be that Ken's reply (#22) shows the most recent factory set-up.
Scotty : Look in Projects and the Mainsheet article as I've posted about 8 to 12? pictures on how to install it inside the anchor well.
The information is out there but you have to read it and decide. You can NOT do Kens installation unless you have a 1989 or later anchor well.
Your choice. A thought
Scotty, here it is: http://www.c34.org/projects/projects-anchor-windlass-apache.html
Easier to just give you the link.
Scotty, I don't have a picture that shows my windlass sticking up through the hole in the anchor locker door, but I would bet that if you go to Yachtworld.com and look for 2000 or later c34s for sale you'll find a picture. I would bet that the c36 windlass is set up the same way. Basically, the vertical windlass is mounted on a flat horizontal platform that is a recessed part of the deck and located under the hatch. The control switch is located here, too. The drum of the windlass sticks up through a hole molded into the hatch; the motor, clutch, etc are all below the hatch when the hatch is closed.
Hey Scotty, I was just catching up on my forum reading and . . . Open the recent posting regarding 'Anchor Fit on a C 34'. The first picture shows an anchor locker with the windlass drum sticking up. I think its just the picture you were looking for.
Great, Thanks! I looked at YachtWorld and saw a 2006 C34 with excellent pictures. My only problem is that the boat was so beautiful that I now have lust in my heart. I also now have a lot of information to sift through. Luckily I'm not going to start this project for a while so I have time to think. I took the time to download a copy of the Tech Notes index onto a word processing file. I think it will help find stuff. Thanks for that advise (Ron).
My 1987 doesn't have a fitting (or cleat) dedicated to tie off the bitter end of the anchor line. I was curious if that is common on the Mk I? How have other skippers addressed this?
Quote from: scotty on October 16, 2010, 09:22:47 AM
1. I took the time to download a copy of the Tech Notes index onto a word processing file. I think it will help find stuff. Thanks for that advise (Ron).
2. My 1987 doesn't have a fitting (or cleat) dedicated to tie off the bitter end of the anchor line. I was curious if that is common on the Mk I? How have other skippers addressed this?
1. That's a good idea to do. However, you could also download the entire KNOWLEDGEBASE from the Tech Tips Online page. It's an XLS file, so using ctrl-F helps find stuff. The Knowledgebase includes not only the Tech Notes, but also the Projects and FAQs (the original pages which are still available here via the Tech wiki), so there's even more information available.
2. None came with the boat. We have a simple plastic garden hose holder for our rode bolted thru the aft wall, and the rode tied to that. I have yet to ever have to anchor in a depth where anywhere near the end of our rode would threaten to have the end come anywhere near. Get longer rode, or bolt a U bolt thru and tie 'er up.
Scotty : Be careful as you don't have the anchor well of some of the installations that have been posted. Look at Stu's post and you have MY anchor well (1986/1987/1988).
Another thing is that the factory installation came with a drum and no chain gypsy. I would have liked both, but it would have lowered my installation or I would have had to put a hole in the one side anchor well door with for drum to stick out.
You asked me about the space between the finished plywood and the other plywood. Mine were together (the inner was caulked to the outer side of the anchor well pan) and a friends 1989 had an inch space between. I'll guess that it depends on the day they were building the boat and how things were going together!?!
None of the early 86/87/88 boats had a cleat in the anchor well like the 1989 C34s (and later). That cleat may be nice, but I'm not too sure of it's actual strength. I seriously doubt that if you thru out the anchor in a storm and didn't cleat a premausured rode that if the line ran out to the end that that cleat would hold under a strain like that!! Don't know, but doubt it would hold. I have a big turks head knot in the end of my nylon.
My advise for you is to follow my instructions (Stu's site) and take that finished and the other plywood Vberth panels out. Only then will you know the spacing and the thickness of the two pieces of plywood. Then decide where you want the solenoid and how to route the wiring.
Hope this helps.
I don't want to stick my neck out since I haven't completed this install, but I went under the V-berth and was able pass my hand through the gap between the v-berth above me and the anchor well. I was able to feel that the two bulkheads were in contact. I then removed the starboard naugahyde wire chase bottom and was able to slip my hand in and feel the two bulkheads were in contact at the top. So I concluded, if they are in contact on the bottom and in contact on the top... This was all done on the starboard side, so it it is still possible the port side is different. Since there are so few screws to remove to take out the decorative bulkhead, I assumed we would do it anyway just to be sure.
Todd
Guys : Todd's got a great point and I suspect that the two pieces of plywood would/should probablly be together for strength! If there is a space it's because the guy that cut the plywood - screwed up. That's my best guess.
Again, the only way to know for sure is to take the shelf out, remove the wire chase & teal inside trim, and take the top fwd teak finishing piece off. Then you'll know for sure !!!!