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Title: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Geoffreykwright on July 05, 2019, 01:09:27 PM
I found this sitting on the deck just to the right of the mast.  Looks like it might be some sort of spring.  Anyone know what it is?  (I've got hull# 1494, year 2000)
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: glennd3 on July 05, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
Maybe be your slip neighbor is messing with you and put it there! :shock:
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: patrice on July 05, 2019, 02:55:54 PM
Hi.

Yes i know what it is.
It is a .....
I have it .  It is
A bent wire.     :abd:
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: csimmerling on July 05, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
Maybe part of a cotter pin?
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: mark_53 on July 05, 2019, 09:56:43 PM
Pull on your boom and see if it falls off.  A cotter pin is what hold the goose-neck to the mast.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Ron Hill on July 06, 2019, 01:49:51 PM
Sun : It almost looks like someone made their own quick pull "pin" instead of using a ring clip or cotter key?  Way too big to be a cotter pin/key!!
There are 2 shinny rub spots on the long leg while there is rust/corrosion on the rest of it!?!

A thought
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Noah on July 06, 2019, 02:41:07 PM
Have you checked your hatch(s) hinge(s)? Might have been a Jerry rigged hinge pin.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: glennd3 on July 06, 2019, 05:08:57 PM
Geoff I see in your previous threads that you were adjusting your rigging. Any chance this piece came from any of that activity?
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Patches on July 07, 2019, 06:55:29 AM
Can't tell for sure.  What I can tell you is that when I was up the mast a couple of months ago installing a new anchor light, I discovered that the cotter "keeper" pin (securing the clevis pin which held the forestay to the masthead) had one of the legs "bent" and was abrading my genoa halyard for the furled sail.  I carefully attempted to bend it away from the halyard with some pliers, and it snapped off one of the legs of the cotter pin in the process.  This secures the entire forestay and furler in place.

I made an appointment with a rigger who detuned the rigged--unloading the clevis pin-- and replaced the broken cotter pin.  What he found was a cotter pin which wasn't even stainless, and replaced it with a stainless one.  Not good.

Not sure what that piece is from, but if you haven't been aloft in awhile, it may make sense going up and inspecting some of the connecting hardware.  If I hadn't gone up to replace the anchor light, I would not have discovered the pin was sawing through my genoa halyard, or that the pin was not stainless.  I use a Topclimber to get myself up and down which, at 58, is still doable.

Patches

Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: britinusa on July 07, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
There were probably two, one got ditched, so now you have a radio.


:D

Paul
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: KWKloeber on July 08, 2019, 08:14:43 PM
Geoff,

is one side flat and the other rounded (ie, is it D shaped like half a cotter pin?) if so, I'd start seriously looking for the other half and what's soon going to be falling out of the hole (clevis, etc.)

Patches,

I don't get it, why would a rigger have to de-load anything to replace a cotter pin?  There's **never** (shouldn't be) any loading directly on a cotter.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: britinusa on July 09, 2019, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: britinusa on July 07, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
There were probably two, one got ditched, so now you have a radio.


:D

Paul

British Humor ! :D
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Patches on July 09, 2019, 07:08:01 PM
Ken:

The clevis pin had "worked" slightly outboard, wedging what was left of the cotter pin tight into the toggle. No way to get that out without detuning/slackening the rigging.

Although I thought about how I might do this myself, from my Topclimber, I kept going back to what I would do to support the entire weight of the forestay and furler (even after taking the sail off) in the event the clevis pin backed out all the way.  How would I muscle the top of the forestay back to the masthead and work a clevis pin in at the same time? 

I'm sure if I was in some remote anchorage I would be forced to figure it out.  But being that a rigger was nearby and I was going to have him help assess the "noisy partners" issue (see prior post) as well, I happily paid him to do that--with the assistance of yet another rigger on deck.  In the end, I was happy he did it.

Patches
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: KWKloeber on July 09, 2019, 09:13:17 PM
Gotcha, I figured it must have been something like that jammed up.

If it happens again, I've never met a tight clevis pin that my $7.50 harbor freight 32-oz ball peen hammer couldn't tap back into freedom enough to change the cotter.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Geoffreykwright on July 11, 2019, 12:49:01 PM
Thanks for all the feedback.  I don't think its the boom - everything there is in place.  Hatches seem secure.  Its not a piece of a cotter pin.  Hope to god its not half of a quick-pull at the top of the forestay keeping it connected to the mast!  Will go aloft and check as soon as I can find someone to pull me up.

I am (optimistically) guessing that's not what it is - since the previous owner was meticulous with rigging and upkeep - but you never know.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Steve McGill on July 11, 2019, 01:11:12 PM
Is it magnetic?
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Geoffreykwright on August 22, 2019, 08:48:53 AM
I figured it out - its the tail of one side of cotter pin holding the boom to the gooseneck!  (one side of the pin sheared off half-way along the pin).
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Noah on August 22, 2019, 12:54:35 PM
 :clap
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Dave DeAre on August 24, 2019, 05:14:02 AM
If you have a Charleston Spar roller furling main, it may be the remains of a vertical cotter pin from the gooseneck. If so, the boom will be loose on the gooseneck. This pin is not obvious when it is missing and boom could separate from gooseneck. This happened on my boat, several years ago. If you can, check out a sister ship, missing pin on yours should be obvious.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Geoffreykwright on August 28, 2019, 06:11:24 AM
Dave - this is exactly what it was.  A vertical cotter pin holding the boom to the gooseneck.  From the top the "hoop" of the pin looked fine.  From the bottom there was only one "tail" coming out.  The other half had sheared off inside the gooseneck.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: KWKloeber on August 28, 2019, 11:59:46 AM
Does your boom swivel or is it fixed with the pinned gooseneck casting?
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Sdsailor on October 05, 2019, 04:32:18 AM
Funny. I found this exact piece on my deck and also puzzled me for a few days. It belongs to the vhf whip antenna. A bird bent and broke mine, I assume, on a rusty point. Let us know if that's it.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Geoffreykwright on October 05, 2019, 05:31:19 AM
Nope.  It was part of a sheared cotter pin which held the boom to the gooseneck.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Ron Hill on October 06, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
Goef : It may look like a piece of a cotter pin to you, but it surely does NOT to me.

Your boat - a thought   :cry4`
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Geoffreykwright on October 07, 2019, 06:06:20 AM
Ron - it absolutely was part of a cotter pin.  It was the bottom half of one side (the bit shown in red in the diagram).  From the top the 'eye' of the pin looked fine.  At the bottom of the gooseneck only one of the two tails was there - the other half I found on the deck.
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: KWKloeber on October 07, 2019, 07:03:15 AM
Gents: Asked 15 posts ago
<<is one side flat and the other rounded (ie, is it D shaped like half a cotter pin?)>>

The principles of "multiple lines of evidence" and "Ockham's Razor."
Title: Re: Does anyone know what this is?
Post by: Ron Hill on October 07, 2019, 03:01:27 PM
Goef : My opinion still stands!!

In your original picture "in your hand", It is tooo long, no flat side and it has a nearly 90 degree bend!?! 

It's a "homemade something" ?   :?