I just installed a Garmin 178c chart plotter with the depth sounder capacity. The in hull sounder has approx 24' of cable. Obviously I can't stretch this cable to the bow. Can I install in the rear opposite the engine intake and expect it to function reasonable well
I don't know whether there would be a technical problem being near the engine intake, but I know that if you put it there your keel will notify you of the bottom before your depth sounder does.
I am sure you can get an extension/longer cable for the transducer.
Check Garmin site for extension cables. I am sure they have something.
I have my transducer (not Garmin) forward under the V-Berth. You want to place as far forward as possible so you can have a better idea of what is about to happen, not what just happened.
I know you only have a split second if something happens but setting the alarm will give you ample warning. If your unit has plotting capability, then you will see the bottom rising before you hit (of course it helps if you are watching!!!!)
It's hard to argue with placing the sounder as far forward as possible, but, frankly, if you're sailing at 3+ kts and your forward-mounted sounder says you're about to hit something, do you really have time to avoid it? If it's an object, you're going to hit it, and 10 extra feet of warning isn't going to change that. But don't you already have a sounder (and the consequent hole)? Are you adding this as a second sounder? If not, why not use the current transponder? If it's more than 24' away, then by all means get the extension, but if it's already nearby, why not just use that transponder (or at least, it's hole)? BTW, my sounder transponder is slightly starboard of midship and just aft (about a 6") of the sink. It wasn't my choice to put it there, but it works well. I replaced the transponder when I upgraded all of the electronics to Raymarine ST-60s, and it was a bit of a PITA to reach... requiring some contortions. In retrospect, I should have cut a hole in the floor (under the sole) for easy access.
I believe that if you'd have checked with companies that make depth finders here's what they'd tell you on transducer placement in the hull.
1. Place in the flatest portion of the hull to eliminate the most paralax.
2. Place transducer in a location that is in "clean" water where there is NO or the least hull turbulence.
A thought.
I agree with Ron but failed to mention I have a "thru the glass" unit that sits level within the bow area and does not require an additional hole. That is an important difference when considerding placement.
Just curious----Is it likely that a transducer from one manufacturer would be compatable with another mfg's unit(assuming the fittings are the same). I always thought that transducers were pretty much a "dedicated" piece of hardware. I know the mfgs. want you to believe that you can not mix and match
Ken.
I am replacing a DataMarine thru-hull transponder with a Garmin in-hull which has a 5/8" limitation for hull thickness. The old/current unit hides under the forward water tank to starboard and is virtually inaccessable. How thick is the hull just forward of the keel?
Bob
Hi Pronto,
Welcome to the forum. You'll find lots of help here. I recall there being some info about hull thickness when others were talking about installing garboard drains. Here is a link where the writer describes the hull being approx 1/2" thick near the mast step. (sounds fairly thin to me)
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,6412.0.html (http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,6412.0.html)
This may or may not be representative of the area you're thinking about. At least you don't have to drill a hole to find out if the transducer will work or not!
Good luck with your transducer installation.
Pronto : If the present transducer is in a nearly inaccessible Vberth location in the hull, think about changing the location.
You could leave the old transducer to plug the hole is you don't want to fiberglass over it. I'd fiberglass over the old hole.
My transducers for the depth finder and the knot log are in the hull under the seat just forward of the mast. Easy to get to.
A few thoughts
Ken's comment is right on. The Garmin unit uses 200KHz or 50 KHz transducers. It is possibly compatible with what is already there, but without knowing what unit is installed, it is hard to say for sure. Datamarine used 120KHz and 200 KHz. Do a little web-based homework and you may save yourself trouble and expense. Last year our venerable old Signet depth sounder readout unit bit the dust. I happened to have an ST-60 which was a near drop-in replacement using the same transducer. The wiring was very simple and is detailed on mainesail's web page. While it is described as a temporary fix, I couldn't see a reason to change it.
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/new_depth_old_transducer_ducer (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/new_depth_old_transducer_ducer)
While you're there buy some butyl tape!
Pronto : It may be too late, but you can get Datamarine instruments repaired by calling DMI at
(508 564-7491
A thought
We have two depth sounders, one on a Garmin 178C chartplotter, and an inexpensive backup Hawkeye. The transducers are forward, one under the V berth and the other just inside the main cabin. They operate on different frequencies so they do not interfere. Both instruments are in-hull and cable length is not a problem. We got the Hawkeye when we were having "issues" with the Garmin. When the Garmin got fixed, it is nice to have a backup. Both give almost the same depth all of the time. Notice that our new instrument fit into the original "pods." Since we get our speed on the GPS, the port pod holds our API.
Cheers,
Bob
PS: I just noticed that this thread was started by Al Palma, the previous owner of Catalina 34 #422. "What goes around, comes around."
Bob,
I noticed in your pic that you still have the plastic shift and throttle handles. You might want to consider changing them to the SS models. It's not a question of if they will break, but a question of when.....and it's NEVER at a good time. Just a thought.
Quote from: Tom Soko on December 07, 2013, 09:13:15 AM
Bob,
I noticed in your pic that you still have the plastic shift and throttle handles. You might want to consider changing them to the SS models. It's not a question of if they will break, but a question of when.....and it's NEVER at a good time. Just a thought.
Hi Tom,
Thanks for the tip. It has been on my "to-do" list and I will now move it up to top priority. I keep a vice-grip pliers near by 8). Where can I get the SS replacements? OK, skip the question; the answer was in this forum: MarinePartDepot.com.
Cheers,
Bob
DO NOT BUY FROM MARINE PART DEPOT. Do a search and you'll see tons of people have had issues. I did buy from that site and did a return. The site says 100% refund satisfaction. I never got anything to say payment was on it's way or that my returned package was received (I did check it through the tracking number). After numerous emails and calls (by the way, the message you leave on the answering machine is never answered) I didn't get any correspondence. They never answer the phone, so don't bother trying. Thankfully, my original payment was using PayPal. I followed the PayPal instructions to file an issue with the vendor, and as soon as I put a complaint in through PayPal, I got word that Marine Part Depot was going to give me the refund. I would suppose it's hit or miss with this site. But after seeing the bad press about it, and the fact that they almost never refunded my return, I figured even if the stuff was given to me for free, I would never buy anything from this site. It's better to buy from more reputable business site.
Hi,
I did bought mine thru Marine Parts Depot, and got them a few days after order was placed.
2 days after buying them, I placed a new order for a swim ladder. Days and days went by without getting an order number and tracking number.
I tried few time to contact them by phone or emails, no luck. Last email sent, I told them to cancel the whole thing and was going to let Paypal know too.
Well I got a reply that the item was back order and was refunding my purchase.
So you can order, but good luck ;-) you could end up on a good day.
Quote from: Roc on December 09, 2013, 04:31:15 AM
DO NOT BUY FROM MARINE PART DEPOT. Do a search and you'll see tons of people have had issues. I did buy from that site and did a return. The site says 100% refund satisfaction. I never got anything to say payment was on it's way or that my returned package was received (I did check it through the tracking number). After numerous emails and calls (by the way, the message you leave on the answering machine is never answered) I didn't get any correspondence. They never answer the phone, so don't bother trying. Thankfully, my original payment was using PayPal. I followed the PayPal instructions to file an issue with the vendor, and as soon as I put a complaint in through PayPal, I got word that Marine Part Depot was going to give me the refund. I would suppose it's hit or miss with this site. But after seeing the bad press about it, and the fact that they almost never refunded my return, I figured even if the stuff was given to me for free, I would never buy anything from this site. It's better to buy from more reputable business site.
OK, I was about to order from them, but I have stopped now. Anyone have a reputable source for these items? Bob
I ordered the control levers from Marine Part Depot in August without an issue. They were on sale at the time for ~$18 each. Nice, easy upgrade.
Catalina Direct has them. But they're $68 each. Kevin got a great deal at $18 if they're the same thing. It looks like they are very close from the pictures on their website.
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1061&ParentCat=475 (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1061&ParentCat=475)
http://store.marinepartdepot.com/stclha.html (http://store.marinepartdepot.com/stclha.html)
It's hit or miss with them. If you do a search, and read what others have experienced, it's mixed. When I ordered my parts, they were fine, but the fittings weren't what I expected based on the pictures. So I figured I would send them back and get a refund... WRONG..... I then looked them up and found all the bad press. I also read where others did not get what they ordered and had a hard time ever getting their money refunded, or getting a refund at all. I know the price is tempting, but out of principle, I would pay more from someone that has good business ethics...
Happy Holidays All!!!! :santa
I have to replace my transducer this spring. Datamarine 200khz for my Dart system. I found one on Ebay, lowered over the side at my dock and it works great(my old one tested good according to the test method in my manual). My old one is located just forward and starboard of the bilge. It is under the cabin floor and there is no access hole above it. It was installed without the lock nut ring on the inside. It appears to have just been epoxied on the inside of the hull so believe if I want to remove it I will have to do it in pieces.
Has anyone ever drilled through a transducer?? I just wonder what to expect.
Steve
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Steve,
First look at the outside of the hull and make sure it is just epoxyed to the hull. Then try a couple of hard taps to the side of the transducer. Hopefully the surface wasn't well prepaired. If it doesn't remove easy, I would just cut the wires and leave it. May be with a note that it's from a previous depthsounder.
Just a thought,
Jim
I have the shiny chromed Edson handles on my MK II engine controls. No question that the handles are very strong but one day while underway inside Cap Sante Marina at Anacortes, WA, The stainless steel bolt on the gear shift control sheared leaving me in forward with the vice grips down below in my tool kit. It is quite a sensation to be staring at the handle in your hand while the boat is heading down one of the fairways! No system, however robust, is foolproof.