sticker shock for dodger/bimini

[KWKloeber]

303 Aerospace is NOT 303 Fabric Guard. Please DO NOT confuse the two... '[

MEA CULPA!!

Just to close the loop on this "precisely"  -- I mistakenly said both 303s were labelled "Aerospace".  Not so - I usually check mfgrs' website for such things, but this time went from memory (CRS).  As RC said there's

* 303 High Tech Fabric Guard
* 303 Aerospace Protectant (kinda like ArmorAll, but containing with lots of UV shield.)  I've used it after waxing and it does impart a nice shine and add additional UV protection on just about anything (NOT canvas though.)

kk

[Roc]

Does the Tractor Supply sprayer shoot a fan spray or a round (conical) spray.  Asking because I have a piston sprayer (Ortho brand) that shoots a conical spray and wondering if a fan spray may be easier to do this job because you can sweep the canvas with the fan shape.

[rmbrown]

I'm having some screen panels made and need to choose between snaps and twist locks.  Canvas guy says twist locks are better but more trouble (money) and leans toward snaps.  Opinions welcome!

Whichever is selected, what's the proper way to attach them to the fiberglass to prevent leaking or damage downstream.  (In a previous life, someone installed snap bases in a very substandard way so I want to make sure it's done right this time.

[Ron Hill]

Mike : I don't know where you are mounting these screens? 
What You need to decide is if the twist lock is going to protrude - be in the way and possibly be broken?

Your choice - A thought

[Mick Laver]

Mike - When I redid my dodger a couple of years back I told my canvas guy to get rid of any and all snaps and replace them with the twist aka "common sense" fasteners. I have not regretted that decision. I always found snap fasteners a pain to re-fasten, especially if the canvas has been under even slight tension. This even with periodic lubrication.

If you do go with CS fasteners I'd ask your guy (gal?) about the double-height ones. These provide some flexibility later on if you decide to add additional pieces such as a temporary sunscreen. I never have had an issue with the addition height of CS fasteners over snaps.

I'm curious about the installation problem. I would drill out the hole for the screw, counter-sink it, and thread the fastener in slowly after applying some sealant to the threads. Twist in a turn, back off a half turn, then repeat until it's flush.

[rmbrown]

Thanks!

[britinusa]

If the snap/twistlock is going to be mounted on fiberglass, then consider Snads from http://www.sailrite.com/search?keywords=snads

Paul

[KWKloeber]

Mike

Where are the panels going to be mounted against?  That would make a difference between CS and snap fasteners.  There's other options, for instance Lift-the-dot -- all have pluses and minuses..

When you say correct way to mount.... explain.  To watertite the fasterner hole?  or what?

Long ago a canvas guy screwed snaps into nothing but a thin outer gel/fglass shell that sits about 1/2" outside the actual f'glass substrate on a portion of my cockpit coming.  There's nothing the screws were cutting into, except the 1/4? inch "shell."  Naturally, eventually the tapping screws loosened/stripped/pulled out.  If that's your situation I have a good fix, but won't go on and on about it unless that's your situation.

To waterproof them, defo countersinking and sealant (run out a small diameter string of butyl and wrap around the screw shaft under the snap head.)  Or some have put an o-ring under the head.

ken

[Ron Hill]

Guys : If you are going into fiberglass you can also use the "Push -the-dot" fasteners.

A thought

[bayates]

Jim,

$6K for dodger, Bimini and connector is not bad. We just had the dodger with cover done last year and it was almost $3500 with maktolon glass which is awesome. Our Bimini is 5 plus years old and was $3k plus but is larger than normal and taller. The connector a couple hundred. You definitely want sunbrella fabrics. We had a large window installed in Bimini to see the sail trim.

Brian
Hakuna Matata
2000 c34 MKII
San Diego

[Noah]

Brian-
Who did your canvas work?

[bayates]

Noah, 

Jan Mitchell Canvas. He does great work. Has done work on Other C34 in San Diego as well. Not always the fastest but great work and very fussy and stands behind it if there is an issue. Will be at the boat next weekend if you want to check out the work.

Brian

[Kevin Henderson]

Looking to add a Bimini to Pau Hana.  Understand this is an old topic but I want to ask. 
In San Diego, can anyone recommend a good shop?
I would need the tubes and the canvas and install. 
I also have an adjustable back stay.  Can that create problems? 
How much can one expect to pay? 

[scgunner]

Kevin,

A good boat covers shop won't have any trouble working around your rigging, most boat covers are custom installations. One way to find a good covers maker is to take a walk around your marina and look at the boats(power boats too), most makers label their work. If you see a lot of one particular label it probably means they do good work for a reasonable price.

[awesome34]

I used Whyte Cap Canvas Works in San Diego to replace a couple of pieces of canvas that had worn out recently. Peter did a good job for me and I feel like the price was fair. My dodger is about to wear out and, when I decide to replace it, I plan to get multiple estimates to compare prices, but I will definitely get an estimate from him.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/whyte-cap-canvas-works-san-diego-2