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Ken Juul

I'm tired of having to reset the rub rail after a less than stellar docking or departure.  I'm considering replacing the insert that always pops out with some wood.  Good idea?  Bad idea?

I was thinking of using teak, is there better choice?  An equal less expensive choice?

Also thought about putting a stainless cap over the existing insert, but worried if the insert compresses too much the cap will end up getting bent/dented.

Maybe the best option is the stainless cap over the wood.  If I win the lottery that will definitely be the way to go.
Ken & Vicki Juul
Luna Loca #1090
Chesapeake Bay
Past Commodore C34IA

Jim Hardesty

Ken,
How about Plasteak?  or one of the other teak looking plastics
Jim Hardesty
2001 MKII hull #1570 M35BC  "Shamrock"
sailing Lake Erie
from Commodore Perry Yacht Club
Erie, PA

pablosgirl

Hi Ken,

Is your insert original?  I had a similar problem with ours.  I found that the rub rail hardens and shrinks with age and sun exposure.  Ours was also chewed up a bit by hurricane Ike and it would almost fall out just looking at it.  So we decided to replace it with a new one purchased from Catalina Direct. ($249 before shipping) We chose grey so that it would match the deck non-skid instead of the original tan color.  The new rubrail really made a difference in looks AND it fit the channel really tight.  We have had a few dock/piling rubbings since the replacement and the new rubrail has stayed put.

I put a description on how to replace the rubrail in the tech Wiki under the Hull->Repair->Rubrail Replacement section.  It was a pretty straight forward job.

Paul
Paul & Cyndi Shields
1988 hull# 551 Tall Rig/Fin Keel
M25XP

waterdog

Ken,

I had a teak rubrail on my last boat.

You are indeed crazy.   If you replace it with wood of like thickness to put in the insert, you will end up with splintered bits of wood when you have less than stellar docking.   (Plus a maintenance hassle).   So you need to go to something much beefier in cross section - probably close to an inch and a half.   It will change the look of the boat.   

Put in a new insert from Catalina Direct and you will love your boat again. 



Steve Dolling
Former 1988 #804, BlackDragon - Vancouver BC
Now 1999 Manta 40 cat

Ken Juul

The rub rail was replaced about 6 years ago.  First year or two it stayed in place, now it's acting like the 15 year old one I replaced.  The track was cleaned and dents removed when the new one was installed.

Any other ideas?
Ken & Vicki Juul
Luna Loca #1090
Chesapeake Bay
Past Commodore C34IA

horsemel

Ken I replaced my rub rail last summer.  I replaced the original.  Speculation, but the rail needs to be pliable and I wonder if you might have used a solvent based cleaner that degraded that capability to stretch and contract.  The guy in our yard who does the fiber glass work told me that you need to be careful about what you clean them with.
Mark & Melinda Mueller
Blue Moon, Hull #815
1988

Ron Hill

#6
Guys : Pliable or not, if you hit a piling with any forward or reverse speed (even 1 mile/hr) the vinyl bump strip will pop out !!
 
The key is to hit the pile/dock with no fwd or rev speed.  Sometimes easier said than done!  
Ron, Apache #788

Kevin Henderson

The key is to hit the pile/dock with no fwd or rev speed.  Sometimes easier said than done! 

There in lies the "Rub". 

Sorry but I had to do it  :razz: :abd:
The sail, the play of its pulse so like our own lives: so thin and yet so full of life, so noiseless when it labors hardest, so noisy and impatient when least effective.
~Henry David Thoreau

Ted Pounds

Actually I always thought the key is to not hit the pile/dock at all...   :D :D :D
Ted Pounds
"Molly Rose"
1987 #447

Ron Hill

#9
Ted : You are so right, but there are times that wind and or current will eat (humble) the best Captain alive.

For those times just remember to have no fwd/rev speed as it slams you into the dock!!  
Ron, Apache #788

Ron Hill

#10
Ken : I've been planning to do a new rub rail for the reasons you mentioned.  It's one of those projects that has not yet bubbled to the top of my list. I've thought about it for years and here's what I plan to do:

I'll remove the vinyl from the holder on about 2/3rds of the side.  Take some TREX (laminate decking from Lowe's/ Home Depot) and rip it to the exact width of the aluminum holder.  It should protrude out from the edges of the holder at least 1/4 to 1/2 inches.  It must be thru bolted to the inside of the hull.  Whether I can use the same bolts/holes that hold the aluminum holder - I don't know yet.  Then I'll use some 3/4" or 1" stainless strips and screw them on to the outside of the TREX strip.
I haven't decided yet how the juncture of the vinyl to the TREX/stainless will look like.

Anyway that may give you something to chew on/think about.  

I have the 3/4" stainless strips.  Now all I need is the time, energy and complete all of the more important projects before I can get started on the rub rail!!  

A few thoughts



Ron, Apache #788

r_bond

Ken,

We gave Trinity a "face-lift" this past fall.  One of best things we did was to install a new rub rail.  Product is from Barbour Plastics.  Here's a link:  http://www.barbourcorp.com/marine-prod-rubrails.htm
We installed the rigid w/ stainless steel insert type.  It is absolutely beautiful and (according to the guy that did our work...has installed a number of them) extremely durable. 

Rusty
1993 C34
Hull # 1261
Wing Keel, Std. Rig

Ron Volk

Rusty,

Could you attach a photo of a section of the rub rail you installed to see how it looks.

Thanks 
Ron - GOOSE III - Hull 1235 - 1993
Tall Rig - Fin Keel
Dana Point, CA

Roc

Rusty,
With the rigid stainless insert, do you find if you bump a piling or something, it can permenantly dent?  I would think a rigid rub rail would dent, but the rubber inserts are more forgiving.  If my memory serves me correctly, I seem to think the new C355 has a stainless rub rail and my first thought when I saw the boat, the rub rail would end up getting dinged.
Roc - "Sea Life" 2000 MKII #1477.  Annapolis, MD

Ken Juul

I'm surrounded by Hunters at my marina.  They all have stainless rub rails, have not seen any of them dented yet. I think they have a solid backing, I would worry about dents if applied over current soft insert.
Ken & Vicki Juul
Luna Loca #1090
Chesapeake Bay
Past Commodore C34IA