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Jim

Please send the drawing(s) to Mark Elkin at MELKIN@SAN.RR.COM.  He is our Associate Webmaster for Projects and FAQs.  He will then post it in the projects section which can be found at http://www.c34.org/projects/projects.html.  Thanks, and good luck.

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Jeff, (This is a compliation of some earlier posts I had made attempting to clarify and explain how the C34 website is arrranged; some have recently said that "There's TOO MUCH information," an not wholly unwarranted statement.  For newcomers, the best way to get around is to start reading and use the search engine on BOTH the message board and the separate search engine on the original homepage material.)

The original C34 web page (www.c34.org) has an FAQ section.  The following is posted there: http://www.c34.org/faq-pages/faq-heat-exchanger.html.  Note that these are BOAT related FAQs, and not "how to use the website" FAQs.

This message board is relatively "new" (compared to the long history of the C34 website) and is an ongoing resource for technical information in addition to the archived and captured boat technical information at www.c34.org, with it's own Projects, FAQs and Tech Notes (for C34IA members).  They Tech Notes Online are available ONLINE to C34IA members.  They also come on a FREE CD-ROM when you join the Association.

The index of all available Tech Notes is available to all:  http://www.c34.org/techindex_top.htm

Your sources of technical information on C34s are:

--  Original Webpage FAQs

--  This Message Board on the Forum

--  Original Webpage Tech Notes

--  Original Webpage Projects

These have all of the technical information that has been so graciously shared by C34 owners since 1987, all right here on your website.

Here's a brief history: The Original Home page www.c34.org and the associated Projects and FAQs (http://www.c34.org/projects/projects.html and http://www.c34.org/faq-pages/faq.html) were developed over the years to organize and collect the vast amount of information that had been generated by interested C34 owners about their boats.

The FAQs, particularly, were made by a handful of us who took our own personal time and copied material from the older email "List" and made "articles" about the subjects.  They were prepared and edited, then emailed to the Associate Webmasters, who then posted them on the website.  As noted to me recently, those FAQs are primarily concerned with Mark I boats, although some systems remain the same (i.e., HX zincs!)

With the advent of the searchable Message Board only a few years ago, there was no longer a need to do that time consuming work.  On the Message Board, the material is all there, on a central server and is searchable for any topic.  Phil has recently improved the search engine to allow it to work on more complicated search wording.

John

Sorry to hear, but all the best.  Just two things:

1.  Let the new owner know about the Association.

2.  Teach the new owner how to keep the beer cold in the fridge!

Hmm...towel bars are nice.  We installed three simple single teak handholds loops.  One's above the alternator door.  One's horizontal, below the mirror on the aft head bulkhead, and I added a "stand up" loop high on the aft bulkhead, almost parallel to the slope of the cabin roof.  You have something to hold onto when you're standing up, and we don't do the "you must sit at all costs" routine.

Lou Berman, the new Fleet 12 Captain, once wrote and had published a great story with a picture in Mainsheet magazine, about the "inventive" door he had added to the starboard side bulkhead in the aft cabin between the entryway and the engine: to gain access to the oil dip stick!  Just another "helpful, user-friendly" feature, on all previous boats, that the factory eliminated as time went by.  Duh...

Craig

I recommend a search on "alternator bracket."  I know the answer to your question is within those posts.

Roc

The further out board will NOT affect the angle of the top of the new battery.  Regardless of where the battery is on the boat, the angle will stay the same whatever it is.

I believe Jon Arck placed his start battery forward of the starboard water tank.  The put in a shelf.

Anything on the starboard side will reduce the port list   

As long as you can get to the top of the battery that's fine.  Means you'll check it.

Good idea to do that upgrade.

Jack

I've been meaning to find and post this for you, from an older Catalina advertisement.

Art

Sometimes they split the wiring, so that one bunch goes to the black box waterproof connection and some wiring goes directly to the mast.  For instance, our steaming, anchor and deck light wires and the ground are simply butt spliced together at a point underneath the forward removable bilge section floorboard and wrapped in heat shrink tubing.  To disconnect for pulling the mast, the yard simply cut the wires and re-spliced them back together, while inside the black box was simpler to just unscrew wires on the mast side.  There is no "connector" per se, like you'd see on a deck stepped mast or like on the C25s.

In addition to the last post, please also note other components of the "tool kit" iinclude the Tech Notes.

They're available ONLINE to C34IA members.  They also come on a FREE CD-ROM when you join the Association.

The index of all available Tech Notes is available to all:  http://www.c34.org/techindex_top.htm

Your sources of technical information on C34s are:

--  Original Webpage FAQs

--  The Message Board on the Forum

--  Tech Notes

--  Projects

These have all of the technical information that has been so graciously shared by C34 owners since 1987, all right here on your website.

OK, OK, that's more than two tool kits , but all are easy to find.

Replacement for old infopop reference above:  http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?topic=553.0

...which, I just noticed, agrees with Phil's idea above.

Got this from a search on "stereo"

[if people took the time to define and maintain it."]

Dave

You wrote: "I think a wiki for our FAQ pages or common questions/topics that keep coming up
but evolved over time would be a great thing... if people took the time to
define and maintain it."

I've been involved in contributing to this website for over eight years.  The beauty of the Message Board "mailbox" of this Forum is that it is self-sustaining, with minimal effort required by the Officers and webmaster to maintain the content. 

I am not sure just who you mean by "if people took the time...."  As the Officers of the C34IA and the webmaster and associate webmasters, as well as the MANY FREQUENT CONTRIBUTORS to the Message Board, we all DO take the time to make this board available to all, but most of us have real day jobs.

The powerful search engine allows complete flexibility in finding material.

Here's a brief history: The Original Home page www.c34.org and the associated Projects and FAQs (http://www.c34.org/projects/projects.html and http://www.c34.org/faq-pages/faq.html) were developed over the years to organize and collect the vast amount of information that had been generated by interested C34 owners about their boats.

The FAQs, particularly, were made by a handful of us who took our own personal time and copied material from the older email "List" and made "articles" about the subjects.  They were prepared and edited, then emailed to the Associate Webmasters, who then posted them on the website.

With the advent of the searchable Message Board only a few years ago, there was no longer a need to do that time consuming work.  On the Message Board, the material is all there, on a central server (not on individual folks' own hard drives) and is searchable for any topic.  Phil has recently improved the search engine to allow it to work on more complicated search wording.

A search engine is just like an index in an encyclopedia.

Given the history of the C34 website, I believe it is counterproductive to begin additional FAQ sections anywhere on the site.  We have two already: the Original FAQs, link noted above, and the Message Board, which is used daily by C34 aficionados, as THE Technical Resource.  I can conceive of no need to require additional effort on anyone's part to re-organize information that is already there and very accessible.

I think of this technical information as a tool kit.  I have my "regular" tools stored neatly in my nav station (see Projects on the Original Webpage).  I also have a second "take it anywhere" tool kit in a handy Sears carry-case for off the boat so I don't have to gather my "regular" tools if I'm called off to a friend's boat to help out. 

But I don't scatter my tools all over, nor would I think of making any more separate tool kits.

We have two tool kits here: the Original FAQs and the Message Board.  I see no reason to make up any new tool kits, which would just confuse things, and simply make it necessary to look in even more places for what you are trying to find in the first place!  Just as I would gather my tools together, rather than putting some in the forward cabin and some in the port locker, it just makes sense to keep the simple two resources we have for technical questions just where they are, and not make any more categories.

I also view the ability to modify the contents in a WIKI post by anyone else as counterproductive to original messaging and contributions.  This board only allows the people who post the messages to edit them.  I really wouldn't want the responsibility to edit anyone else's work - I have enough on my hands to try to properly edit what I write myself.

No.

Craig

Peggie Hall recommends them.  She's the best when it comes to that stuff.  Check her material out at www.catalinaowners.com

If the zinc is in reasonably good shape (i.e., it hasn't DISAPPEARED) why pull the end caps off?  My engine's runnin' fine at 160.  When the temp starts going up on a regular basis, I'll take the whole thing off and clean it out.  Please remember, I'm the guy who changed from a 2 inch HX on our M25 (and removed and cleaned it yearly!!!!!!) to a satisfied 3 inch HX which is doin' just fine!  :)

Sometimes I think trimming zincs is an urban myth, but when I hear that it should be done from a known and trusted colleague, I'll buy it.  I think it's kinda: whatever works for you.  I've never had to trim my pencil zincs, many others have mentioned they have to do it all the time.

Don't put ANYTHING between the threads on the pencil zinc holder and the HX.  The idea is to ALLOW maximum contact.

Susan

Since Allegro is #431, you should have the full aft lazarette as we call it.  The other one's the "port locker."

Inside, I've seen many skippers put wooden plugs or hooks on the sides and back of the plywood box around the rudder post.  We backed off the nuts on the through hull bolts and installed flat washers and looped a long bungee cord around the every other one of the bolts in the inside of the top aft inside part of the transom.  We hook our extra long lines to the section of the bungee in the spaces between the nuts. Then they don't get lost in the bottom of the deep lazarette because they're always hooked onto something that you can reach.  Lots of inventive ideas if you spend an hour or so down inside.  Of course, getting out has always been another matter!

Also suggest, if you or your PO hasn't done this before, is rig a line to keep your aft lazarette open: bungee cord or line hanging from the inside attached to the pulpit has been discussed on this board earlier.