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#31
Main Message Board / Re: Extra Thru Hull / new bilge pump
December 04, 2016, 06:43:42 PM
Fresh water flushing ? Always a good idea..

As for the 2nd bilge pump to make it possible drain water from the lowest possible point of bilge? That's a great idea too. But instead of using another free thru hull I used that option on my boat by adding a "Y" connection and manual valve...

I always use the smaller pump for bringing the water to the lowest level. In case of emergency I will switch my manual valve on Y connection and run my 2000GPH pump...
Thank God I never need to do that until now!
Hopefully I never use the larger one!   :D
#32
Main Message Board / Re: Companionway wood slats...???
December 04, 2016, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: Noah on December 04, 2016, 04:04:11 PM
My hatch boards

YES !! This kind!  :clap
#33
Main Message Board / Re: Companionway wood slats...???
December 04, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: KWKloeber on December 01, 2016, 08:20:49 PM
noah

between boards?  Or cut thru the center of the top board?
I have cuts (2 or 3?) thru the mid top board.  Strategically angled cuts so that wind blown precip basically blows "straight in"

No, mine is NOT like the picture posted. Just one single cut between the boards in the middle where they touch each other.
#34
Main Message Board / Re: electronics - help me decide
December 02, 2016, 11:09:56 PM
I've been offered a Garmin 741xs + GMR 18HD Radar for: $1,562.49 from West Marine.
I guess not a bad price...
#35
Quote from: KWKloeber on December 02, 2016, 09:58:09 PM
Are you planning to have someone completely check the standing rigging while she's on the hard?

k

Checking? Yes...
Replacing anything ? Nope, not during this haulout.. Already a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ gone!
#36
Are you guys talking about Frank Butler or some other Frank?
:?
#37
Pls let me know what do you see at my panel photos. Anything bad?
My electrician will be on board on Dec 5th..

Also few photos of the floorboards i mentioned. Does anybody sells the replacement panels of these?

And one last one showing her cleaning up!!!
#38
Quote from: mark_53 on December 02, 2016, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: KWKloeber on December 02, 2016, 04:02:17 PM
Geeez, Stu, why didn't you just forget they were screwing you, be pleased it wasn't $1,500, and just get over it? 

I'm sure they did most other things in the past correctly. :thumb:  <double wink with a big mile> LOL

-k

You screw yourself by being to, lazy or timid to do simple stuff yourself.  The problem is not the boatyard, it's lack of initiative.  Did generations before us expect to have someone do every little thing for them?  H#ll no, they rolled up their sleeves and built this country and took care of their families by hard work, common sense and ingenuity.  We have become a bunch of spoiled brats that expect the world to treat us fair.  The world is not fair so get used to it or receive an economic Darwin award.

I agree in a way, but, if we all do everything ourselves there will be no boatyards left in business. So, boatyards do not have to adapt a mentality of screwing whoever steps on to their yard.
We are not all retired, sunbathing on the decks of our boats and thinking what to do with our lives in order to overcome the boredom.
For example I have to take care of my business and family and run my other errands while my pleasure boat taking care of the fixes it needs at the boatyard by "professionals".
#39
Quote from: KWKloeber on November 30, 2016, 10:46:11 PM
ok, so what was the written estimated hours and hourly rate?  and how many days to do it?
did they break it down by line item at all (you know like military purchasing LOL)?

k

- I was already on the dry Monday 28th. But no work has been done that day other than haul out and placed on stands...
- Tuesday 29th - Only work done from 3:00pm to 4:00pm he began sanding the bottom. 1 hr Labor
- Wednesday 30th - Bottom sanding has been completed. Catalina smile grinding done. 6 hrs Labor
- Thursday 1st - Catalina smile and 20 little blisters on the keel has been treated. Propeller and shaft cleaned. Buffing topsides started 4 hrs Labor
- Friday 2nd -
- Monday 5th
- Tuesday 6th
- Wednesday - Going back in the water.

I was quoted:
16 hrs @ $85 for prep for bottom paint + apply bottom paint ( $1,360 )
20 hrs @ $85 for cleaning and buffing the topsides. ( $1,700 )
16 hrs @ $85 for "smile" prep and caulking and fiberglass  ( $1,360 )
4 hrs  @ $95 for fill and fiberglass crack + Re-torque keel bolts ( $380 )

Sub Total $4,800

Materials:
Bottom Paint $560
Sandpaper/Tape/Rollers $75
Buffing Pad/Compound $100
Discs/Caulking/Fiberglass and resin $250
Haul Out $374

Grand Total $6,259

Now, in all honesty, this is only the estimate! So far as I stated above I have seen 11 hr of Labor and as you can see in the quote I received Labor was estimated as a total of 56 hrs.

Including tomorrow, they have 3 full days left to fulfill the remaining 45 hrs...
Now if they do not work 45 man hours in the next 3 days and the mgr would like to stick with the same amount on his estimate on my bill there will be a discussion!  8)

Because so far what I am getting from him is a nice, friendly attitude telling me that I shouldn't worry, my bill will NOT be more than what his estimation was... Like if it was a favor to me...
My beef is; How could it be ?

If you estimate the labor for 56 hrs and then by the time you finish the job if it was only 36 hrs of labor has been used then my final bill should reflect that 20 hours of discrepancy into my advantage and I should pay $1,700 less than what it was estimated.

The main reason I am saying this because 90% of the job already has been done! Bottom is ready to be painted! Top side cleaning and buffing needs maybe 3-4 more hrs of labor. So in my estimation at the most 10 more hours of labor worth of work left. Let's be generous and say 15 more hrs. or even 19 hrs. That will bring me to 30 hrs of labor... Not 56 hrs... Sounds like someone deserves $2,210 deduction... :)

To me that's the fair solution. But as I said, he keep assuring me that my bill will be exactly what he estimated and not more...
Let's see what will be the outcome...
In any case it will be interesting!  :D
#40
Main Message Board / Re: Floorboards...
December 01, 2016, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: Noah on December 01, 2016, 07:18:05 PM
what, you are still in the boatyard!!? JUST KIDDING.... :shock: :? 8)

Haha, that hurts buddy!  :cry4`
But a good one!

Oh yes, you can't imagine how much I love to witness the work is moving along with the speed of a glacier!  :wait
#41
Main Message Board / Re: Companionway wood slats...???
December 01, 2016, 07:43:26 PM
Quote from: Ron Hill on November 29, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Capt J : Those hatch are teak and were made at the factory for YOUR C34. 
If you want new ones you'll have to make a pattern so the new ones will match/fit !!!!!!!!!!!

Personally I'd do as Stu suggested and refinish the hatch boards you have.  Teak easily cleand up and sands nicely.

A thought

Roger that Ron. I began to work on them. The reason I was asking is this: As you all probably know hatch boards are two separate pieces.There is a slight opening in the middle portion of these two pieces when they sit on top of each other... I don't know the purpose of it. Is it a grab area so you can put your fingers thru or air intake or whatever...

That portion of the bottom piece was really warn out. I mean looks it looks like some volume of the wood is lost there. It is not an evenly cut looks to it. If I sand or grind it to an even level the opening will be larger than i would like it to be. That's why I was thinking to replace the bottom piece if I decide to keep the classic varnished wood look on my boat or go with the plastic/glass screen type of modern looking hatch cover.

As first option, I am trying to redo them and see what will I end up with.


#42
Main Message Board / Re: Floorboards...
December 01, 2016, 07:15:32 PM
Agreed.. Tomorrow when I go to boatyard I'll take some pictures... From Internet search I've seen so far looks similar to those holly sole plywood but again...
#43
Quote from: KWKloeber on November 30, 2016, 07:43:03 PM
jim

Did the yard provide a written quote, with an estimate (not guarantee) of hours / labor rates, and materials? All the things you are saying make sense, but not at this time -- should be asked before the job and then you could have recourse when you see the yard jockey working on the job an actual 3 hours or whatever.  Caveat emptor. 
What gets me is when people complain but without basis - but you seem to have a good footing on your points.\

yes they did.

To be honest, I was complaining about the absurdity of their system. They are not dishonest people. They just don't know any better system than what they use to do. Manager and most of the crew's age at their early 30s and I feel frustrated with the new " just chill out, relaaaax, no problem dude, we will take care of you " generation I guess...
God darn it, I am becoming an grumpy old man! My father used to be like that and i hated him for that!
:shock:
I just hate uncertainty...
#44
Main Message Board / Re: Floorboards...
November 30, 2016, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: KWKloeber on November 30, 2016, 07:41:08 PM
is the sole teak and holly plywood or composite material?

-kk

Oh, I thought they were all same standard on every C34. Those striped fake teak look-a-like... I have no idea what they'e made of my friend!
#45
Quote from: mark_53 on November 30, 2016, 08:39:33 PM
Jim;
Thanks for clarifying your wife is away, that sheds light on the rant.  Since you haven't actually been billed yet I wouldn't be to concerned. They may just have given you a high quote so your happy if it comes in under.  Maybe wishful thinking but wait until you get the bill before you get your knickers in a bunch. Bottom line is you agreed on an approximate price to get a job done. If the final price comes in close to what was bid you have nothing to complain about regardless of how hard you feel they worked. This is not the Navy your dealing with.  In civilian life, chit chat during work is not unusual. Heck, it's hard enough to find people to actually show up on a regular basis.
Most of us learn to do some of the things your having done ourselves since labor is so expensive.  I had my boat hauled earlier this year and power washed.  I did the final sanding.  With an ablate paint all I used was a stiff bristle brush for an hour or two.  Since I never repaired a blister, I had a guy grind them out for me.  Charged me $10 for about 5 or 6 small blisters.  In the spring I'll have them filled when it's dried out.  I'll do the bottom paint myself.  How hard is it to roll on a few coats of paint?

haha, oh my friend I'll buy you a lobster dinner if that happens. But my last estimate (for my commercial boat) was around $9000 or worst case scenario 10... Ended up being $18,000 even mgr was ashamed and he told me to pay $12,000 and we will be even.
It's like government bill! Never gets lower these darn things...
Where did I put that whisk bottle?