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Title: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on June 11, 2018, 06:50:29 AM
Hello to all the San Diego members!  We are possibly relocating to San Diego and I would like to know what options are suggested to keep my boat. 

Thanks,

Rob
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Mike and Joanne Stimmler on June 11, 2018, 03:01:24 PM
If you like Mission Bay, Marina Village is pretty Nice. I was there for Five years and was treated well.
It's been awhile since I was there but at the time we were paying about $500 per month.
It's about a four hour sail to get to the SD main harbor since you have to go off shore a bit to go around the kelp beds at the point.

Mike
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Noah on June 11, 2018, 07:02:26 PM
All personal decisions:
1. Mission Bay leaves NO option other than to head to out to sea for any/all sailing.
2. Prefer San Diego Bay berthing; many options on Shelter Island or Harbor Island. South Bay (Chula Vista) is cheaper, but long way to go up the Bay to get to the ocean.

-Noah
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Jon W on June 11, 2018, 07:47:36 PM
If I copied the link at the end of this correctly, the site lists the marinas in San Diego, Coronado, and Chula Vista. Each has pluses and minuses. Mike commented on Mission Bay. Shelter Island slips are quick to the bay and ocean, seem to offer more amenities but cost more per foot than Harbor Island slips which are just a little south. I’m at Harbor Island West. Not a lot of frills but I like it. I’ve heard other marinas on Harbor Island are a little nicer. Coronado is upscale. Chula Vista is nice, lower fees but a long narrow haul to the bridge and SD Bay proper and the ocean. Like Noah said it depends on what you’re looking for.

www.sdwaterfront.com/marinas.shtml

Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on June 12, 2018, 06:03:15 AM
Thanks for the replies.  I'm not quite sure what I'm looking for since the sailing will be so much different than the Chesapeake Bay.  We're not even sure if we are moving, but I wanted to get an idea of what I'm in for. 

Rob
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: KWKloeber on June 12, 2018, 02:54:17 PM
Another CTY owner:

About 20 years ago I helped a friend bring a Santana 30 up to San Diego from Ensenada.  He tried many marinas and mooring fields around the north bay and over in Mission Bay but ended up taking a slip in the Chula Vista Marina in the south bay.  At that time they were very accommodating and a lot cheaper than anywhere around S.D.
 
Bryant
Utah
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: KWKloeber on June 12, 2018, 10:07:57 PM
Another owner

second the recommendation for Chula Vista.  California Yacht Marina (CYM) Chula Vista is owned by the same family that owns my marina and I have to say it is the best run marina I've ever been in over 45 tears of boat ownership.

Check it out
https://cymchulavista.com/
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on June 13, 2018, 05:45:20 AM
I definitely like the costs of Chula Vista better.  So how far down is it?  Can I sail outside of the marina or do I have to motor an hour up to the bay?
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: KWKloeber on June 13, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
I definitely like the costs of Chula Vista better.  So how far down is it?  Can I sail outside of the marina or do I have to motor an hour up to the bay?

I fidnt pass this back to the left-gander on the other forum and I’m a right-hander.
I’d get my “bearings” looking at google maps or google earth is better.

-K
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on June 13, 2018, 11:13:58 AM
Chula Vista is nice, lower fees but a long narrow haul to the bridge and SD Bay proper and the ocean.
www.sdwaterfront.com/marinas.shtml

this was the comment I was referring to when I asked about sailing outside the marina.

Rob
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Noah on June 13, 2018, 11:28:17 AM
You can sail it. Some shallows and gerenally a beat going out, but there is a deep channel.
http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18773.shtml
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on June 13, 2018, 12:09:47 PM
Thanks for the chart!  That helps a lot.  Had no idea it was so shallow down there.

Rob
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: KWKloeber on June 13, 2018, 10:19:24 PM
Just got everyone’s info, every noaa chart is available on line as a pdf and other firmats. You can view the whole collection and zoom in as far as you to find the coverage you need

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/InteractiveCatalog/nrnc.shtml

-k
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: awesome34 on June 14, 2018, 10:58:12 AM
I have always found this price comparison helpful when investigating Marinas here: http://www.cvmarina.com/amenities-slip-fees/san-diego-marina-slip-fee-comparison/ 

In general, pricing seems to be based on a combination of convenience to the ocean/amenities. The more of some combination of those, the more expensive the marina. I am at the Marriott Marina downtown and it is expensive, but has a great location and, since I live on my boat, having a walk-able neighborhood is worth it to me, but if I didn't live on my boat I think I might pick a less expensive shelter or harbor island marina because it is more convenient to the sailing/racing events and services around here. Everyone has different priorities though...

-Eric
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Jon W on June 14, 2018, 12:21:20 PM
Parking is also an important consideration for me. What I ran into was the marinas would list free parking, but there wasn’t much of it. I recommend that you clarify that if you get serious.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Mick Laver on June 15, 2018, 10:24:08 AM
Hi Rob,
Another consideration is availability. Most marinas on Shelter Island and to a slightly lesser extent Harbor Island have long waitlists.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on June 17, 2018, 12:42:02 PM
Thanks for the considerations.  Right now it is looking less and less likely that my boat will follow me to the west coast.  Quite cost prohibitive.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on August 10, 2018, 07:23:21 AM
I'm still going back and forth on selling or transport. Market is pretty dry for buyers around here. Same 5 boats have been sitting all summer. Does anyone have a recommendation for a boatyard in San Diego to transport to? Doesn't have to have a slip, as I can move to home berth after.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Noah on August 10, 2018, 09:35:22 AM
“Boatyards” are a bit different out West. They are generally working yards, not storage yards. Unless you are having work done, other than unloading/commissioning/relaunch, you will have to pay lay days and they still would be reluctant to keep you on the hard. I would line-up a slip first. Boatyards on Shelter island are all good for unload destination and repair work; Driscoll's, Neilson Beaumont, Shelter Island Yacht Ways, Kohler Kraft...all good choices.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Jon W on August 10, 2018, 09:40:42 AM
I prefer Shelter Island Boat Yard when I need work done.

Noah makes some important points. If you’re only looking for a place to remove from a trailer and put it in the water the yard may not matter as much as price and proximity to your new slip. Have you decided on an area that you want to look for a slip?
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on August 12, 2018, 05:26:21 AM
It's looking more likely that I'll move the boat. Probably late fall. Harbor island looks good, but need to check availability. It's the chicken and egg thing. Marinas want a date. Trucks need a destination.
BTW, do I need to strip off my ablative copper paint before I can go in California water?
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Noah on August 12, 2018, 09:35:01 AM
I believe your paint would be ok. There is NOT a total “ban” on copper here. The yard will let you know for sure.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Kevin Henderson on August 15, 2018, 04:41:08 PM
WOW!! Small world sometimes.  I was just in Solomons MD last week for work! 
Regarding marinas.  If by chance you are active duty Military, retired, or GS you can get on the wait list for Fiddlers Cove Marina or Point Loma Sailing Center marina  The rates are far less expensive, but also far less amenities.  Fiddlers is between Coronado and Coronado Cays along the Silver Strand.  South bay sailing may be a bit shallow but generally, there is plenty of water and much less crowded.  It is a slog to get to the ocean.. just plan a nice full day of sailing. 
Point Loma Marina is wedged right bewteen Harbor Island and Shelter Island.  Ideal location.... But.... quite exposed to chop from passing boats.  I chose Fiddlers. 

https://sandiego.navylifesw.com/recreation/marinas

And..
Shelter Island Boatyard has always done well for me. 

Welcome (soon) to SD   8)
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on August 17, 2018, 06:36:59 PM
Thanks Kevin. I've tried several times to contact fiddlers cove but no reply. Any idea what kind of wait list they have?

I'll miss Solomons.

Rob
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Jon W on August 17, 2018, 08:32:01 PM
A few days ago I asked a broker I know for his suggestions. He said he’ll get back to me but he’s hurt his back so not sure when he’ll get back to me. I’ll post here when I do.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Jon W on August 18, 2018, 12:38:24 PM
I heard back from my broker friend. He gave a couple suggestions to think about -

1) Make sure the mover you choose has the proper insurance to cover your boat being transported, and ask for a copy of the documents to verify it is active and includes what you want to do.

2) Do not cancel your boat insurance when you pull the boat from the water and load it onto the movers vehicle. Keep your boat insurance active just in case. He also mentioned to let your insurance company know what your doing.

3) My broker said as an FYI they have a list of boat movers on their website - Yachtfinders/Windseakers.com.

4) He also recommends Shelter Island Boatyard and said if you decide to use them as the destination point, contact Wayne Morrison and ask him if he has any feedback on the boat mover you plan to use, or if they have a recommendation for a boat mover.

5) Remember you'll need a rigger when you get here to re-step the mast and attach the rigging. Schedule an appointment with them when your boat is to arrive in San Deigo so they are ready/available to do the work when you need them.

6) He said in his experience bottom paint doesn't travel well. He suggested that if you plan to have the bottom redone, do it in San Diego. If the yard you ship to in San Diego does the bottom paint, you may be able to negotiate a discount for the offloading fee or get lucky and have it waived altogether.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on August 20, 2018, 06:15:38 AM
Thanks Jon.  that's great information
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on February 27, 2019, 02:47:46 PM
Just to follow up about moving to San Diego...  I moved out here at the start of the year. My boat sat in Maryland and patiently waited for me to get finances and details in order for the move.  On Monday, Winston Trucking (Mark Frazier) loaded her on to his truck and is currently en route to San Diego (Shelter Island Boat Yard).  I will have them paint the bottom and place the mast. I will do the rest of the rigging. Then it's over to California yacht marina in Chula Vista.  I'm really looking forward to getting on the water again. Perhaps I'll see some of you San Diegans around the Bay.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: glennd3 on March 01, 2019, 05:46:53 PM
Just out of curiosity,  if you don't mind, what is the ballpark price of moving the boat cross country?
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on March 02, 2019, 01:31:26 PM
truck was 10.7K + boatyard charges to load and unload.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: scgunner on March 03, 2019, 07:53:44 AM
     Rob,

        Unless you really love that boat you might want think about selling it and buying a San Diego boat. By the time you get your boat in the water in San Diego you will probably spend 12K, that's about a third of the total value of the boat. With that kind of money you could significantly reduce the price of your boat to move it quickly and still come out ahead.
Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: Mick Laver on March 04, 2019, 09:01:05 PM
Hey Rob,
Welcome to SD! See you on the water.

Here's a plug for the SD Catalina Association. We meet the second Thursday of the month (except July and December) at Silver Gate YC on Shelter Island. http://www.sdcatalinaassoc.com/

If you'd like more info just send a PM.


Title: Re: San Diego slips
Post by: sailr4 on March 06, 2019, 02:14:51 PM
     Rob,

        Unless you really love that boat you might want think about selling it and buying a San Diego boat. By the time you get your boat in the water in San Diego you will probably spend 12K, that's about a third of the total value of the boat. With that kind of money you could significantly reduce the price of your boat to move it quickly and still come out ahead.

Gunner, It's a bit late now. LOL - I did consider selling, but with 10K in upgrades (new rigging, new sail, etc), I would not make out as well as hoped.  Especially buying more expensive boat out here and probably needing the same 10K upgrades.