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Title: Nav Station Hanging Locker Storage Ideas
Post by: anaisdog on April 19, 2018, 02:31:30 PM
if you've done anything to improve the storage of your nav station hanging locker, like putting shelving in or something, can you post pictures?  i'd finally like to check that off my "todo" list and it's not as easy, at first glance, since , at least on my hanging locker there is 12 inches opening but 15 inches, in the cavern, and completely weirdly shaped.

thanks

becki kain
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Dave Spencer on April 19, 2018, 03:20:50 PM
Becki,
My previous owner installed a rack of wire basket drawers which serve us very well.   The attached picture only shows the upper portion (I don't have a picture of the whole thing).  We use this for stowing provisions for our longish cruises in the North Channel of Georgian Bay.  I have the shore power battery charger and solar panel controller mounted behind (outboard of) the racks so they are easy to access by sliding a couple of baskets out  This makes very good use of the space in my opinion and they are light, inexpensive and don't allow for any damp and dark corners in the locker.
Good luck with your project.

Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 19, 2018, 03:40:30 PM
THAT is so cool!  i was thinking I'd have to do something drawers but that is a great idea and i'd be able to get to my battery charger with bins.  thank you very much!
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 19, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
how heavy of things can you put in there?  i wanted just winch handles, manuals, and then random light storage stuff but was curious. thanks again

-becki
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Dave Spencer on April 19, 2018, 04:24:31 PM
We fill the heaviest drawer with food that can be fairly heavy. I would estimate the heaviest drawer holds about 20 lbs when it's full. You'll have no trouble with winch handles and manuals. 
I recall that there is a manufacturers marking on it but I don't recall the details. It will be a couple of weeks before I get back to the boat but when I do, I'll make a note of who made it and get some pictures showing how it is secured in the locker. 
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 19, 2018, 04:51:22 PM
thank you very much!
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Jon W on April 19, 2018, 04:52:48 PM
There are a couple more examples in the Tech WIKI under storage; hanging locker upgrade.
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 19, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
thanks.  now that i know what to search on, i will do that!
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Stu Jackson on April 19, 2018, 05:41:12 PM
From the "WAAAY Back!!!!" machine, 1998!!!::::::::

http://c34.org/wikiwp/?rdp_we_resource=http%3A%2F%2Fc34.org%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DHanging_Locker_Upgrade
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Roc on April 20, 2018, 04:52:05 AM
Here's what I did.  Theses are almost 20 years old.  I remember I bought the sliding baskets at Home Depot.  They still have similar types.  Go to the storage section. I believe these are Closet Maid.
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 05:44:19 AM
how are they secured to the locker?  thanks!
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 05:49:12 AM
and Roc, is your hanging locker wood, inside?  are they shelves directly connected to the locker or are they on wood strips then the locker? thanks
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Set2sea on April 20, 2018, 09:35:48 AM
It seems as though the configuration or design of the locker has changed on the new boats. It seems like the door frame opening on an 1988 leaves a good 1 ½ to 2” flange from the door frame edge to the inside locker wall.
When I did mine over and went to put 3 pullouts in as others have done, I thought about all the space I would be giving away on the top shelf because the basket width is a good 4” less than the inside of the locker. So I put a solid fixed shelf in the top and store all of our pots and pans, except for tall pasta pot. I find the pots and pans are easy to reach for and pull out on the fixed shelf. I did go for a pullout basket for the second shelf down. I want to say that I left the bottom alone for dust pan, pasta pot and some other taller cleaning bottles. Again, not wasting that space at the bottom of the locker (if you have a shelf there). I am very happy with the storage space I have in that locker now.
Having said all of that, the 3 pullout pictured looks nice.
I will get aboard, take pictures of my set up and post.
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 20, 2018, 09:46:08 AM
and Roc, is your hanging locker wood, inside?  are they shelves directly connected to the locker or are they on wood strips then the locker? thanks

Zoom in!!

You can see the wooden cleats on the sides. And the flat bars on the basket assembly ( typically screwed through when installing in the base o r onto shelves of kitchen cabinets.)
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: britinusa on April 20, 2018, 10:21:48 AM
Great Idea! We 3 plywood shelves, and it sucks having to duck down and reach all the way back. Those baskets look ideal!

Looked on the web found these:
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/10177606/ (https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/10177606/) but I think the locker is only about 12" wide (guess) on our 1987 Mk 1.

Perhaps: http://a.co/etQdtQW (http://a.co/etQdtQW)

Still looking. I'll have to measure the opening.

Paul

Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 10:50:24 AM
ken, i did zoom in, as much as i could.  i still cant tell
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Dave Spencer on April 20, 2018, 11:04:01 AM
and Roc, is your hanging locker wood, inside?  are they shelves directly connected to the locker or are they on wood strips then the locker? thanks

Zoom in!!

You can see the wooden cleats on the sides. And the flat bars on the basket assembly ( typically screwed through when installing in the base o r onto shelves of kitchen cabinets.)

Ken,
I think Becki's question is related to the wood sidewalls rather than the cleats.  It looks like newer boats like Roc's are lined with wood (cedar?) compared to the picture I posted where one can see that the wall is bare fibreglass.  Or maybe Roc lined the locker himself. 

Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 20, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
<<are they shelves directly connected to the locker or are they on wood strips then the locker?>>

Sounds like a “cleat” question to me?


b
what r u using. U need a betR zoomer!?  :D
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 20, 2018, 11:13:47 AM
U can see the cleats r two pcs of 3/4 stock.
See the glue that oozed out of the joint?  :shock:

(and the cedar lining)
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 11:30:16 AM
Yes, Dave, that is what i was asking.  my nav hanging locker is just fiberglass so i need to know how to attached the shelves.  thanks
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 11:30:52 AM
Ken, my locker is fiberglass, not wood
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 20, 2018, 11:50:29 AM
B

I didn’t say yours was anything.
I answered your 2 (clearly and well stated) questions - photo answers both:

1) What R roc’s sides made of? and
2) how his baskets were attached (to wood strips or directly to the sides)? Pretty clear questions.

If you’re asking a different question like, how can I attach to mine, well, that’s a different, uh, question, ‘eh?

First, is there any backing you can screw into?
Epoxy cleats to the fiberglass (use microfibers, which is the best adhesive property and mixes easiest). I’d block the cleats in place while the epoxy cures. An option would be to 5200 them in place but I don’t see any benefit.


That’s ass/u/ming what I envision the access/construction to be on yours, but above suggestions might be modified if I had hands on a 34.

Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 11:55:35 AM
i do have 4200 laying around, now that i'm using almost solely butyl tape, so i could use that for the cleats.  it's just raw fiberglass in my hanging locker, nothing else.  thanks
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 20, 2018, 11:58:17 AM
i do have 4200 laying around, now that i'm using almost solely butyl tape, so i could use that for the cleats.  it's just raw fiberglass in my hanging locker, nothing else.  thanks
,
No benefit. Possible to use, but read between the lines.   I wouldn’t, but YBYC.

If it’s been hanging around previously opened, 5200 may be toast by now.
Never never ever ever use 5200 or 4200 as a SEALANT (butyl). It’s an ADHESIVE.
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 01:17:25 PM
read btn what lines?  it's an adhesive.  what am i missing?  what should i use to adhere wood to fiberglass?
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 20, 2018, 01:21:54 PM
I SAID.  Epoxy w microfibers!!

 U CAN use 5200 but there’s no benefit over epoxy and IIWML I wouldn’t.
But YBYC as always n
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 01:25:10 PM
i didn;t know 4200 had microfibers.  thanks
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 20, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
Jesus H Christ.  Where did I ever say that 5200 has microfibers? Go back and read the posts!!!!
You must be at work and distracted from the boat tweets. LOL.

Time to back out of this one. s-l-o-w-l-y. 

-k
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 01:53:12 PM
i have no idea what you are on about.  but okay, thanks Ken
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Stu Jackson on April 20, 2018, 02:41:41 PM
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what should i use to adhere wood to fiberglass?

Becki,

In addition to building the drawers in the nav station hanging locker, as shown in the link in one of my earlier posts, I added shelving in the starboard V berth locker.  I used open weave shelves that were wider than the door opening up there, 'cuz those shelves don't slide out.

I do not recommend using glue to install the cleats.  Why?  Because you need to fasten the cleats to the walls of the locker anyway to support them in the interim time while the glue sets up and hardens, which requires some kind of mechanical fasteners.  So, why not just screw or bolt them in to begin with?  :D

There's easy access from both the head side and the saloon side to drill through with bolts.  If you feel the need for waterproofing from the head side, just treat the bolt heads with butyl tape as you tighten them.  You can use finish washers or fender washers.

Your boat, your choice.  :D
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
thank you Stu!
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Noah on April 20, 2018, 03:24:05 PM
Orrr… you could shoot yourself in the foot by installing a bunch of electronic stuff; fuse panel, autopilot controller, 2,000 watt inverter, and a big Haletron fire extingusher, and not have any room to store stuff in that locker.  Duh.. :?
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: anaisdog on April 20, 2018, 04:13:40 PM
that's so cute!  but you're in SD where the weather is always perfect and it's going to be snowing here in detroit .  :-)
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?op
Post by: KWKloeber on April 20, 2018, 09:10:31 PM
Point of information....

One doesn't necessarily need to mechanically support cleats if using microfibers filler.  It is the STICKIEST of the additives and has excellent adhesion.

(JTSO) all that one needs is a few half-width strips of duct tape (quantity depending on the length of what's being held) to hold cleats for 10 minutes until the epoxy kicks.

I have done many supports this way (see one photo example of a drawer assembly corner cleat.)  If a cleat had to support 50 lbs, then I would use a temporary brace (1x2s held w/a C-clamp) to press one cleat at a time against the side until the epoxy kicks. Otherwise, duct tape would suffice (JTSO.)

I ass/um/ed one would want to avoid seeing fastener heads if possible.  I wouldn't want them, but that's a YBYC aesthetic thing.  Naturally, if you don't mind seeing fasteners, bolts may be easier (I have no clue what the access or visibility is on each side face.)

-k
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Paulus on April 21, 2018, 04:00:29 AM
anaisdog,
go back to Stu's link.  Most of us followed these simple instructions and after many years are still happy.  That info was put on this web site by people that had actually tackled the project and worked out the details.   The shelves allows room for the batter charger.
Paul
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Ron Hill on April 21, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Guys : Like Noah I mounted electronics WAY Back in that locker, so we could still hang wet WX gear/coats etc. on the rod (which I moved up).  I also mounted a similar fire extinguisher under the steps - for easy access.


A few thoughts
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: mdidomenico on April 21, 2018, 06:49:03 PM
I think Becki's question is related to the wood sidewalls rather than the cleats.  It looks like newer boats like Roc's are lined with wood (cedar?) compared to the picture I posted where one can see that the wall is bare fibreglass.  Or maybe Roc lined the locker himself.

is there an advantage or reason to line the lockers with cedar?  i'm in the midst of refitting my boat.  i realize it's only aesthetic, but since everything's apart now would be a good time to do it.  and by cedar are we talking about cedar like you line a home closet with or another species?

i do like the idea of putting pull out wire baskets in that area along with some electronics gear in the way back, i think in either case (cedar lined/unlined) i'm definitely going to do that.
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: patrice on April 21, 2018, 08:27:39 PM
Hello,
I also added shelves in the locker.
The shelves are fixed.  No slides.
I cut strips of wood and glued them on each side with construction glue under the brand PL.
The shelves can hold boxes of soft drinks.
I've put 3 shelves.
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 22, 2018, 10:29:26 AM
Patrice,

Perfect option.  D'oh!  Sometimes we forget to think outside the "marine box."

-k
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Roc on April 23, 2018, 04:36:06 AM
My boat came with cedar lining.  Don't just buy a plain basket.  They sell sliding basket drawers, complete with the rails to hold the basket and allows it to slide.  The ones I bought came with the slides you see if you zoom in. Due to the way it is designed, I had to put wooden rails to hold the sliders.  The cedar is not up against the fiberglass sides, there are voids. So I had to take off the cedar and epoxy strips of wood to the fiberglass at the points where I had to mount the wooden rails to hold the sliding basket rails.  I didn't just want to screw into the thin cedar panels.  I wanted the rails to be better supported.  You have to come up with a method of mounting the baskets depending on how they come.  I believe the brand I got are Closet Maid, but they are almost 20 years old.  However, if you look at the type Closet Maid has now, the sliders are different (much better I think).  So you will need to come up with another plan.  It all depends on the system you buy.  You just need to make sure the basket width will clear the "opened door" of the nav locker.  Also, to mount the whole system, you'll need to remove the door and and the frame.  I think 6 screws hold the whole door and frame assembly to the cut-out.
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: Stu Jackson on April 23, 2018, 07:16:25 AM
Hello,
I also added shelves in the locker.  The shelves are fixed.  No slides.  I cut strips of wood and glued them on each side with construction glue under the brand PL.  The shelves can hold boxes of soft drinks.  I've put 3 shelves.

Patrice,  Perfect option.  D'oh!  Sometimes we forget to think outside the "marine box."

That, of course, is another option.

When Al Watson told me about his sliding shelves design idea we discussed this fixed shelving idea.  He made the points that:  1)  the shelves would be deep, so access to the back of the shelves would be difficult;  2)  solid shelves would make it very dark inside, perhaps requiring lighting;  3)  some method of ventilation would be need to avoid mustiness [drilling holes in the shelves would work]; 4) some method would be needed to avoid material falling off the outboard end of the shelves beyond small fiddles.

Those are the reasons Al opted for the open-weave metal shelves.  Having them slide out is an added bonus.

On our trip north from SF in 2016, our slider mechanism packed it in, even with the relatively huge "timbers" I used for the supports; the assembly started leaning enough that the top shelf broke a wire to the VHF radio.  So I screwed a wire tie into the aft wall and tied it all up!  While shelves don't pull out anymore, they still work just fine for storage. 

That's why individual sliders, rather than my choice, seem superior to me.

Your boat, your choice.  :D  There are many ways to do this.  Almost as much fun as saloon tables!
Title: Re: can i see under your nav?
Post by: KWKloeber on April 23, 2018, 08:52:15 AM
Have no idea of the width of the different locker Mks, but as to the ventilation issue (great point) I wonder if the ready made wire closet shelves would come in a "close enuf" depth to fit?  Solid shelves really wouldn't make a difference as to lighting because, IIWMB anyway, I'd have either wire or solid or drilled shelves fully covered with opaque crap. 

(PS, my "box" was referring to using construction adhesive, not to the final outcome.)

Another thought for sliders would be those plastic "holed" baskets that have a lip around them (or could be easily added) and dado-ing a slot in the cleats to accept the lip (slider.)

k
Title: Re: Nav Station Hanging Locker Storage Ideas
Post by: patrice on April 23, 2018, 06:58:46 PM
Hi,

For the fixed shelves that we have.
I cut them as per the hull shap in the back using a cardboard to cut the patern.
Being to dark ?,  never been an issue.
Being to deep.
On one of the shelves, we store our towels.  Rolled and put in,  easy to get to.
On another, boxes of drinks.  Pull out the box we need.
On others, we have smaller basket to store bunch of different stuff.

Advantage also, is that you don't loose 1to2 inches on bothe side for the pull out drawers because of the frame around the openning.
And to be honnest, it was easier to make.  8)
Title: Re: Nav Station Hanging Locker Storage Ideas
Post by: Stu Jackson on April 23, 2018, 08:36:48 PM
Thanks, Patrice, for that great description.  Much appreciated.

Perhaps my "thinking" about this was slewed to "galley" storage, rather than overall storage, and as you mentioned your towels, a little light went off over my head!  Why didn't I think of that?!? :D

Thanks again. 
Title: Re: Nav Station Hanging Locker Storage Ideas
Post by: mark_53 on April 28, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
Lots of good ideas.  My PO put heat ducting through the bottom which is covered by an isolation transformer mounted on a wooden shelf.  The AC wires connect to the transformer and lead to an AC bus on the forward wall of the locker.  I bought a plastic set of 4 drawers that fit snuggly over the transformer.  No room to hang anything but lots of storage in the shelves.
One fire extinguisher is on the aft wall of the galley and one in the V-berth.