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Title: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on August 09, 2016, 10:23:17 AM
Any suggestions on where to get a refill exchange around Baltimore.  Short of that could someone point out the link to the homemade thingamagig for refilling?  Having trouble with the search.


Adapter, that's the word I was looking for.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: KWKloeber on August 09, 2016, 11:26:02 AM
http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/natural_gas_locations.html
http://www.cngnow.com/stations/Pages/information.aspx

kk
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on August 09, 2016, 11:42:27 AM
Think I found the adapter thread.  http://c34.org/projects/projects-cng-refill-adapter.html
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: Stu Jackson on August 15, 2016, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: lazybone on August 09, 2016, 11:42:27 AM
Think I found the adapter thread.  http://c34.org/projects/projects-cng-refill-adapter.html

There's a much NEWER one in the tech wiki with IMPORTANT updates.

Please use that one.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on August 15, 2016, 06:01:57 PM
No luck finding that one. 
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: Stu Jackson on August 15, 2016, 11:32:44 PM
Try this, under Galley:

http://www.c34.org/wiki/index.php?title=CNG_Refill_Adapter (http://www.c34.org/wiki/index.php?title=CNG_Refill_Adapter)
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: RV61 on August 16, 2016, 05:24:25 AM

CNG Adaptor For sale on E-bay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Boat-CNG-Tank-Refill-Adaptor-/182226924465
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on August 16, 2016, 06:34:44 AM
Anyone know why there are two configurations.  Can anyone explain the differences between the two and which would be better for our needs.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: KWKloeber on August 16, 2016, 07:38:39 AM
Note that both eBay listings carry the same part number (CNG 101)

-kk
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: jkar on August 16, 2016, 08:12:06 AM
There are two PSIs 3000 and 3600.  You would need to check your tank (probably 3000) and buy the matching adapter.  Stations usually have both pressures, and the connections are different with 3600 being more for the car and 3000 for cooking.  Looking at the picture, that looks like what it is, two different adapters.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: Jon W on August 16, 2016, 08:18:38 AM
One turns 90 degrees after the tank and the other is straight line from the tank.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on August 16, 2016, 01:00:23 PM
This is the vendors reply to my question about the differences.

"The adapter that is a 90 you can use the red valve to control the cng going into your tank
the other straight one you cant that is the only difference"
Joe
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: KWKloeber on August 16, 2016, 01:12:20 PM
Quote from: lazybone on August 16, 2016, 01:00:23 PM
This is the vendors reply to my question about the differences.

"The adapter that is a 90 you can use the red valve to control the cng going into your tank
the other straight one you cant that is the only difference"
Joe

AHHH yes!  All the valve does on the straight is shut off the pressure gauge.  D'OH!   :?

-kk
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: ajvh on August 22, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
I can lend you the CNG adapter. I am in the Annapolis area
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on August 22, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: ajvh on August 22, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
I can lend you the CNG adapter. I am in the Annapolis area

You're a prince and I appreciate the offer but I have already ordered my own.  I'm looking forward to blowing myself up at a CNG self-serve public refill station which is just 3 miles from my boat. (how convenient).
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on August 26, 2016, 12:27:44 PM
"now we're cooking with gas"
Got my adapter and filled my tank.  Took two tries to figure out the fill station mechanics but I have my stove back.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: KWKloeber on September 22, 2016, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: lazybone on August 26, 2016, 12:27:44 PM
"now we're cooking with gas"
Got my adapter and filled my tank.  Took two tries to figure out the fill station mechanics but I have my stove back.

Lazy,

There was no issue with the station with the adapter or tank pressure? 
Locally they are telling me they can't refill a portable tank due to the pressure differences (2400 psi tank I believe?) and vehicle pressure (3000+ psi?)

-Ken

Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: Noah on September 22, 2016, 12:16:11 PM
How about run it on methane? I am sure someone in California is planning a cow butt to tank adapter soon.
https://thinkprogress.org/california-super-pollutant-law-a71f30642543#.emrzvlicn
:abd:
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on September 22, 2016, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: KWKloeber on September 22, 2016, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: lazybone on August 26, 2016, 12:27:44 PM
"now we're cooking with gas"
Got my adapter and filled my tank.  Took two tries to figure out the fill station mechanics but I have my stove back.

Lazy,

There was no issue with the station with the adapter or tank pressure? 
Locally they are telling me they can't refill a portable tank due to the pressure differences (2400 psi tank I believe?) and vehicle pressure (3000+ psi?)

-Ken

The station near me is totally self serve, there's no human supervision. 
And yes, there is a huge pressure potential (4000 psi), so one must be very, very careful.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: KWKloeber on September 22, 2016, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: Noah on September 22, 2016, 12:16:11 PM
How about run it on methane? I am sure someone in Califonia is planning a cow butt to tank adapter in soon.
https://thinkprogress.org/california-super-pollutant-law-a71f30642543#.emrzvlicn
:abd:

EPA banned the sale of over-the-counter epinephrine inhalers because the propellant was a CFC -- so an asthmatic in distress can't just stop at CVS and buy one cheaply anymore.  PUUUUULEASE - the number of those used daily was a problem?   I bet big drug had something to do with that ban.

[soapbox] \
           \__ >  thump (stepping down off it) ->  kk

Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: KWKloeber on September 22, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
Quote from: lazybone on September 22, 2016, 01:06:20 PM
The station near me is totally self serve, there's no human supervision. 
And yes, there is a huge pressure potential (4000 psi), so one must be very, very careful.

AHHHHH,  OK.  As usual, better to beg forgiveness than ask permission!!   :D
Checking, I see we have self-serve stations also, no real humans.  Sweet. 
Any odds on whether that was a calculated move so someone doing something really stupid doesn't take out an innocent employee during the process?   And no one there to check expiration date on the cylinder?   :shock: :shock:

funny aside  - my ROTFLMAO came after I emailed the NG providers about filling a CNG tank for a boat stove, the helpful PR reply person came back with "....tanked gas is propane, we supply natural gas.  You need to exchange the tank at Lowes or somewhere."   :rolling :rolling

-kk
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: Stu Jackson on September 22, 2016, 07:52:36 PM
Quote from: KWKloeber on September 22, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
Checking, I see we have self-serve stations also, no real humans.  Sweet. 
Any odds on whether that was a calculated move so someone doing something really stupid doesn't take out an innocent employee during the process?   And no one there to check expiration date on the cylinder?   :shock: :shock:

For sure, Ken.

I've been divorced from my first wife for over 30 years now, but I'm told by my daughter that she STILL hasn't pumped gas HERSELF.  EVER.

How she finds these stations that actually have humans who not only take your $$ but actually fill your tank is beyond me.

Next they'll be telling me they check your oil level and clean your windshields.  :shock:

Can't trust 'dem humans, can we???  :D :D :D
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: csimmerling on September 23, 2016, 11:55:46 AM
for what it's worth, in New Jersey you aren't even allowed to pump your own gas at stations - full serve only. It always amazes me when I drive there and it's cheaper to have someone do it for me than pumping it myself at home in NY.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: KWKloeber on September 23, 2016, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: csimmerling on September 23, 2016, 11:55:46 AM
for what it's worth, in New Jersey you aren't even allowed to pump your own gas at stations - full serve only. It always amazes me when I drive there and it's cheaper to have someone do it for me than pumping it myself at home in NY.

Wow another AH-HAAAA moment. 
In August we stopped for fuel in NJ (returning from a trip to NH) and I was dumbfounded that I hit a station that still had full serve.  DUH!

-kk
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on September 23, 2016, 12:32:14 PM
Full serve is the law in NJ.  But don't get your panties ole wet, because the politicians throw a bone to the gas station operatators and charge a few cents less for fuel taxes but they make it up elsewhere and then some.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: Stu Jackson on September 23, 2016, 02:31:38 PM
You can't pump your own gas in Oregon either.  So, after all, NJ is NOT unique.
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: britinusa on September 23, 2016, 02:34:45 PM
We don't pump our own gas here in SoFla either (it's not ours till we pay for it)  8)

Paul
Title: Re: cng refills
Post by: lazybone on September 27, 2016, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: KWKloeber on September 22, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
Quote from: lazybone on September 22, 2016, 01:06:20 PM
The station near me is totally self serve, there's no human supervision. 
And yes, there is a huge pressure potential (4000 psi), so one must be very, very careful.

AHHHHH,  OK.  As usual, better to beg forgiveness than ask permission!!   :D
Checking, I see we have self-serve stations also, no real humans.  Sweet. 
Any odds on whether that was a calculated move so someone doing something really stupid doesn't take out an innocent employee during the process?   And no one there to check expiration date on the cylinder?   :shock: :shock:

funny aside  - my ROTFLMAO came after I emailed the NG providers about filling a CNG tank for a boat stove, the helpful PR reply person came back with "....tanked gas is propane, we supply natural gas.  You need to exchange the tank at Lowes or somewhere."   :rolling :rolling

-kk

Talked to a friend who is in the business of certifying all sorts of fuel dispensing eguipment.  He says the CNG stations are ment for fleet trucks only.  They save a lot of money not having a pinhead siting in a booth reading comics.