My old boat had a sealed locker vented overboard for gasoline and propane. Where do people store a couple of gallons of gasoline on a C34?
Thanks,
Steve Dolling
Steve, we store ours in the port locker. 3 gallon dinghy transom mount model.
My 3 gallon tank fits nicely under the seat behind the helm (walk-through transom). Stays out of feet way and well vented. I was concerned about leaving it in a locker. It never slides out so I have never even bungied it in.
I keep my 1 gallon 1:50 mix under the helm cover when away from the boat. Underway it generally gets wedged between the pedistal and and the cooler.
Long trips I also carry 5 gal of unmixed gas lashed to a stanchion on the side deck.
Since the fuel vapors are heavy, and the port cockpit locker seems well sealed around the lower edges it is probably safe in there also. It would take a big spill to make enough vapor for it to rise up enough to flow down to the bildge. Think you would smell it in the cockpit first. But why take chances.
Good question: I have the same concern about where to put the small propane tank for the BBQ? My last boat had extra space in the vented propane locker.
What solutions have folks come up with on a MKII?
Tony
Quote from: tonywright on March 12, 2007, 06:37:52 AM
I have the same concern about where to put the small propane tank for the BBQ?
I'm comming from a C27, which had considerably less room as a motivator, but I felt my solutions were safe and will continue with them.
For the BBQ propain I got a Magma zippered bag that strapped to the rail just by the BBQ. That way the small bottles were out of the way and never made it into the boat.
For the gas, I kept the can (tightly capped off) in the towed inflatable dingy, strapped to its transom. I can easily put another (no oil) can on there.
Now for a new challenge - I just got the Honda EU2000 generator :thumb:. Nice generator, and if I want I can fit it into the port locker. But I don't really want to store it there because of the potential for gas fumes. Another option suggested by the Dealer (Hansen in Marblehead) was to strap it down just forward of the mast and get a waterproof cover. I'm leaning toward Hansen's suggestion. Then again, one other member posted a really nice solution with a $165 propane conversion kit that looked very nice.
Leaking is an issue always understood. The point could be made that gas storage containers should never leak and, if they do, should not remain onboard.
As for the small propane cannisters, see this: http://www.c34.org/projects/projects-ron-hill.html
For the Honda generator, earlier discussions, many by Hal De Vera, indicated that a good place is under the saloon table strapped to the mast only after all the fuel is used up. Hal also posted useful information about connecting the Honda to a Freedom inverter charger indicating the appropriate settings to avoid tripping the AC breaker by setting the charger with the Link.
Steve : Always give your hull # and production year so others know "what kind" of a C34 you own.
You can as Hanson suggested, tie you Honda 2000 to the mast. Have a friend that does that or he lashes it just forward of the steering pedestal.
I made a PVC pipe holder that holds 3 propane bottles. It's a piece of 4" PVC pipe, end cap and screw on cleanout. Brackets hold it to the stern rail.
As Stu mentioned, NO leaking gasoline container should ever be allowed on board. Small gas containers can also be stored in the anchor well :thumb:
Anchor well. Brilliant, thank you. I'm actually an imposter, Ron. I don't own a C34 yet. I have an offer on an 1988, but I hold this belief that if I give the boat a name or include the year and hull number in my signature, the deal will fall apart...
Steve Dolling
Tony,
You can put a single 1lb propane tank into the existing propane locker by lying it across the top of the 10lb tank. The locker lid closes properly. I have done that for two years without a problem.
Anchor well... good idea. A wet/rusty spot but nicely vented.
I tuck a can of propane just under the flap on my Lifesling
that I have mounted on the stern pulpit.
It also keeps water & dirt from pooling on top of the cover
however if I ever have to use it I may have to recover my
propane bottle as well.
btw, as many know, definitely do not store propane bottles in the
cockpit locker or down below as they can leak. In fact I've got one
right now with a faulty valve... I'm keeping it attached to my grill
until the propane runs out.
For the small propane bottles I sewed a couple holsters with straps that velcro to the rails under the stern perch seats. I like the idea of under the Lifesling flap, room for one more bottle. Note to self more picture needed.
My EU2000 currently rides under the Edson table secured to the pedistal. When away from the boat I modified the Helm cover so it fits under it also. If the sides of the wood helm seat for the walk thru transom (Mk 1.5) were extended it would also fit in the walk thru under the seat. Haven't decided if I want to do that or not.
Yes I fit alot of stuff around the pedistal when under way. It's normally just 2 of us, with the stern perch seats and open cockpit don't miss the foot space. At the dock or anchor it gets moved around to open up the table for eating, etc.
Waterdog, sounds like you don't take superstitions lightly (that can be a good thing :D) I think I still have a copy of how to properly decommission/rename a boat to keep King Neptune and his followers happy when (notice I didn't say "if") you need it.
Lots of great ideas for 1lb propane tanks. But I should have been more specific. What I have is a smaller standard tank (5lb?) that used to fit nicely in a propane locker designed for two 10lb tanks on my previous (29ft) boat. The plus over the 1lb cylinders is that it does not tend to leak like they do, and if you do have any problems with the BBQ valve, you can turn off the valve at the tank and let the gas burn off.
But where would I put this tank on the C34? Am I stuck with having to go back to 1lb disposables? I hate running out in the middle of cooking a meal! Does someone make a rack/bag that fits over a stern rail for example?
Thanks
Tony
I do not know if there is enough room. Could you mount it horizontally under a stern rail seat? Make a couple band clamps like are used on Portable fire extinguisher mounts to hold it in place.
See http://www.sailorssolutions.com/index.asp?page=ProductDetails&Item=LPG01 for an expensive version of Ron Hill's solution.
Tony:
Don't you have a larger propane/CNG tank in a special locker on the starboard side of the cockpit? If you do, have you considered getting some extra hoses, a diverter valve and flow valve to attach to the main tank? You would need a converter kit (Magma part A10-225), a control valve (part A10-220), and maybe an extra 12" section of the black hose with the brass fittings to go between the solenoid and the diverter valve. NOTE: There are different parts for Propane and CNG). You can leave this hooked up and still get the lid to the locker closed. I've used it with good success.
Hi Jeff
This sounds like the best solution for sure. One less tank to worry about. Did you have to cut any holes to lead the BBQ hose out of the locker?
Tony
Tony,
If you have the "shorty" tank that came with the boat you should not need to modify the locker hatch to store it. Just coil the hose assembly neatly, lay it on top of the tank, and close the lid. :thumb:
When the grill is in use I leave the lid unlocked and propped up against the lifelines. That way I'm less likely to get hung up on the tubing when reaching towards the grill. This also helps remind me to shut off the tank valve and bleed the line when finished cooking.
Obvious but important step: be sure to turn the diverter valve so the line to the grill valve is OFF when not using the grill. Otherwise you might run the risk dumping the gas out into the locker (which is vented overboard).
Happy grilling! :clap
I do not have propane locker (CNG stove) and also am looking for option to carry a small amount of propane* to fire a crab cooker (to be used on shore) Storage in the anchor well was mentioned above, and on the surface, seems like it may work.
Has anyone used their anchor locker to store a cylinder? *I dont know if I can use the small cylinders to boil up few gallons of water, and may have to use one of the smaller refillable tanks.
Thanks for your input
I have a 2005 MkII and I store my gas for the dinghy on the stern seat/step outside the boat just above and to the side of the swim platform. I keep the container "tied" to the stern pulpit with a bungee cord. Never a spill or an odor and the container never moves from it's perch.
Dale : To store my propane canisters I took some 4 inch (inside dia.) and measured the length of 3 canisters (end to end). Then glued an end cap on one end and a clean out (screw on) on the other end. Mounted it on the stern pulpit.
Cheap, safe and out of the way! A thought. :thumb: