As I am working my way thru this boat I will never be able to drink a glass of water from this system as it has to be the nastiest I have ever seen. Every line seems like it is a garden hose or some kind of a plastic water line. I have a garden hose that runs from the anchor locker under the v berth thru the hanging closet all the way to all the lines under the galley sink. I attached some pictures of below the galley sink and the garden hose running thru the hanging closet. Can anyone tell me what the black plastic things are in the first picture, there is several of them in the galley sink area. The second picture shows a clear plastic filter?? that is all cracked which I have no idea what it is for. The third picture shows some shut off valves (white) the pressure pump and a foot pump I think operates the icebox. The fourth picture shows the garden hose running thru the hanging locker.Any information would be appreciated. Also how does the sink drain it looks like it is directly hooked up to a thru hull.
I did look at all the articles on plumbing ahead of posting the questions. none of them really had specifics I was looking for. I did like the idea of relocating the water heater but didnt see any of them that gave a location.
melp64,
Does anyone drink for the faucet these days? The garden hoses as you call them are marine grade water lines (but 30+ year old lines). The hose from the anchor locker sounds like a PO thing, no idea why you'd want to drain the anchor locker into the boat especially since it's already self draining. The black plastic things are check valves. The filter under the sink is actually a strainer for the fresh water supply. It doesn't filter the water but it does get the big chunks. The two white shut off valves control the water supply fore and aft. The foot pump drains the refrigerator into the sink drain plumbing. Yes, the sink drains to a thru hull.
QuoteDoes anyone drink for the faucet these days?
I do and I drink the water from the water tanks in Shamrock. Yes, I'm careful where I refill the tank, shock it in the spring and use it. I'm not Captain Bly about it, do carry bottled water for guests if they want it.
Jim
I drink my water tank water. Haven't shocked the system either, but did flush it prior to making use of it upon buying the boat. It tastes pretty good to me without any rubber hose taste.
Does Pex pipe meet marine grade standards? I was planning on rerunning all the waterlines in pex. Except the ones coming from the engine. The line coming from the anchor locker is so you can hook up a hose and spray off the anchor. I like the idea of being able to do that I'm just wondering if there was a reason why they ran the hose in the middle of the closet, why not down at the bottom were no one will see it.
Dan : Pex hose meats all of the standards infact the newer MKII C34 are plumbed with it for all of the potable water lines!!.
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Quote from: melp64 on August 14, 2023, 10:21:46 AM
I was planning on rerunning all the waterlines in pex. Except the ones coming from the engine.
Dan potable water line lines do not "come from the engine." Cam you clarify what you are referring to replacing?
Ken : I believe that Dan is referring to the POTABLE water lines!!
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Dan—I believe the anchor locker hose you say is "running in the middle of a closet" is a previous owner's addition—not standard.
They probably ran it thru the locker because there's no limber hole under the floor connecting the v-berth to the salon/main cabin on a 1987.
I am still a ways away from starting the waterlines but as I have been working on the boat its awesome to be able to ask question ahead of time to start working on a plan. You guys are awesome and I think its because you own the same boat (maybe not the year). A question on the bilge pump, I was able to get all the water out of the bilge and found two bilge pumps one that was not hooked and one that was. The bilge that was hooked up had a small hose on it maybe 3' long and was stuck inside a white flex hose. I don't know if that is the way it is supposed to be hooked up doesn't seem like it. Does anyone see a problem if I ran the hose going thru the hanging locker in the bottom of the hanging locker? I'll patch the holes and repaint, I'm pretty proud of those lockers when I started they were black and nasty inside.
Quote from: Ron Hill on August 14, 2023, 02:33:23 PM
Ken : I believe that Dan is referring to the POTABLE water lines!!
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Mon ami, you may not have read my post.
I said POTABLE. But he spoke of water lines COMING FROM THE ENGINE.
Is he confusing COOLANT lines with WATER lines? I don't know but it warrants the question (perhaps he's a confused newbie boat owner with little knowledge of what hoses are for what and would benefit from a primer on water and engine systems.)
You can lower it, but be careful you don't drill through the hull which is the back of the locker.
The manual bilge pump uses a 1.5" white corrugated hose. Is your bilge pump attached to it, or a different white hose? A photo of the bilge pump's and hose's would help give better answers.
The smaller hose off the bilge pump was just slid inside the white corrugated hose. It didn't seem like it was a very good way to attach it. Isn't there water hoses coming off the engine going to the water heater? Those are the hoses I am referring to but as someone stated I am new to this big of a boat with all the different systems. Thanks Jon I am going to rerun that hose to the bottom of the closet that way when you open the door you won't see a garden hose running through it. I may put a piece of teak in the bottom to cover it up.
There are two engine hoses connected to the water heater. One goes to the water heater, and the other is the return from the water heater. They are coolant hoses not water hoses.
Dan : Go to your C34 Owner's Manual ( or in our WiKi) and on page 4.3.3 - it has the diagram of the Plumbing Schematic!!!
Any hose running thru the hanging locker is a Previous Owner installed hose - going to?? Maybe for an anchor washer??? or unknown???
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Quote from: melp64 on August 15, 2023, 12:35:35 PM
Isn't there water hoses coming off the engine going to the water heater? Those are the hoses I am referring to but as someone stated I am new to this big of a boat with all the different systems.
Dan as Jon explained they are engine coolant hoses. Look at the engine cooling diagram that I had corrected. The Water Heater is nothing more than another (albeit huge) Heat Exchanger. Hot coolant travels from the engine (from the bottom of the Thermostat housing) and heats the potable water that's inside the WH as it passes through it on its way back to the engine (to the top of the closed cooling system pump (not seawater pump).) The diagram shows two parallel coolant loops, one loop to the Heat Exchanger above the transmission and the other coolant loop to the second heat exchanger (WATER HEATER!! 8) )
If you are new to the boat and know nothing about the condition of the WH I suggest using a pressure test to verify that there is no pinhole leak in the engine coolant tube inside the tank. If the tube is compromised with a pinhole, under some conditions toxic engine coolant can be forced into the potable water system (which is obviously not good for health.) It's rare but better safe than....
-Ken
Dan : That page 4.3.3 also shows the plumbing for the hot water heater. Read your OWNERS Manual and you'll learn alot
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Quote from: melp64 on August 13, 2023, 05:20:42 PM
Can anyone tell me what the black plastic things are in the first picture, there is several of them in the galley sink area.
Best guess: looks like it might be an impeller-based flow meter. Are there wires coming from it?
Quote from: Ron Hill on August 16, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Dan : That page 4.3.3 also shows the plumbing for the hot water heater. Read your OWNERS Manual and you'll learn alot
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Thanks Ron 4.3.3 has the perfect drawing and answers most of the questions I had. I had a lot of this drawn out on a napkin but this is a lot better drawing. It took a bit to get to the manual but now that I found it I will be using this a lot more.
I know I am going to get a lot of grief for asking this question but what the heck I don't get how the galley sink drains going directly to a thru hull. Wouldn't the outside water come up the drain? I get the sink is above the water line but then how does it drain.
Quote from: melp64 on August 16, 2023, 06:23:43 PM
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I know I am going to get a lot of grief for asking this question but what the heck I don't get how the galley sink drains going directly to a thru hull. Wouldn't the outside water come up the drain? I get the sink is above the water line but then how does it drain.
No grief at all. It is basic fluid mechanics. Yes the outside water comes up the drain. But only TO the waterline. The weight of the water above it forces it down when the sink fills with water. That's pretty much all.
You can play all sorts of fun & games with clear plastic tubing and your dinghy if you want to see how it works. Give it a try, it's fun. :D :D :D
Dan : After you've had the boat awhile you'll probably want to upgrade that sink drain. There are articles in the Mainsheet tech notes and in WiKi on how to change your galley existing drain to a PVC drain that is less troublesome and drains much faster!! A job for the future!! :thumb:
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I read that article last night I will probably do that right away, All those hoses will be replaced, as my wife has seen them now, and she wouldn't do anything with the boat knowing the condition they are in. The wife is getting more enthused but shes more of do it right or don't do it at all. Which is a good thing. I am looking forward to installing all new pex piping in the boat I might do that as a winter project as my boat was moved right next to a plug so I could possibly put a heater in there and work in the winter.
Dan, I would presume your boat will winter on the shore of Lake Michigan. I have family in Grand Haven. I have
seen winter there. You may want to consider 2 heaters. Remember, sunny days create heat under the tarp.
Good luck with your winter projects