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Author Topic: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels  (Read 6498 times)

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HOTTO3

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Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« on: November 23, 2012, 07:58:01 AM »

Where can I find a source of information regarding the advantages and disadvantages of the Catalaina 34 wing keel vs. the fin keel.
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2012, 08:39:43 AM »

There are lots of posts here regarding the two keels.  Do a search on "keel" for starters.  Bottom line is the fin sails better (mainly it points higher) and the wing can sail in shallower waters (like Florida or the Bahamas).
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 09:01:07 AM »

Here in Lake Erie the advantage isn't so much sailing as it is docking.  Anything over 5 feet and your docking (cruising) options decrease. 
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2012, 01:57:10 PM »

I suspect that the ability to resell is higher for a wing keel. More owners seem to opt for the shallow draft. We have seven MKII's in our club. All are wing keel.

Tony
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2012, 03:01:56 PM »

Hot : The main bottom line is simply : if where ever you go you have water for a 6 ft draft get a fin!!
                                                   if you want to get to shallower ports/anchorages - get a wing !!
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2012, 04:30:53 PM »

Like Ron said, it just depends on where you will be sailing.  Our fin is great in Lake Champlain, but if I lived in Florida I'd be looking for a wing.
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2012, 05:35:51 PM »

I agree with the last couple of posts, depends where you are, in S. Cal you would be hard pressed to see many wing keels, and I'm sure the finn keels would resell at a higher price.
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2012, 05:26:51 AM »

Here in florida the wing keels are most popular. It allows sailing along the western coast and the keys and the bahamas and out to the islands. So here you pay a premilum for the wing keels. I have one and love it.  I had sailed and owned centerboard boats for years amd the wing is very sturdy and sits up well in a blow. Don't think if you buy one you are sacrificing sailing ability. Unless you are racing you will probably not notice a difference.
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2012, 06:32:06 AM »

Another consideration not mentioned is the difficulty freeing a grounded wing keel. The more angle of heel, the deeper the wing digs into bottom. Keep that tow policy valid
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2012, 10:48:33 PM »

We sail in Florida thin waters with a fin keel, and do not have problems if we keep an eye on the chart and depthmeter.  One appreciated benefit of a fin keel is that if we are forced onto a mud/sand bank, the fin keel does not dig in and we can usually get off easily.  We have spoken with TOWUS and they often mention the difficulty of getting a wing-keel off a bank as it digs in like an anchor.  Also, we have often wondered what is the true draft of a wing-keel when it is healed over....wonder if there really that much difference.  Just some thoughts
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2012, 05:49:09 AM »

Here in the skinny Chesapeake I've cleaned the bottom of my wing keel quite often.  I've never had a problem motoring off the mostly mud/muck bottoms.  Not sure there is any validity in the harder to get a wing keel unstuck claim.
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2012, 07:25:47 AM »

I'm paranoid when it comes to grounding my wing keel.  Worry about the plow anchor effect.  Good to hear that Ken powers off.  What concerns me more is that the rudder is only inches shallower than the keel.  Still I would not have bought a fin keel, too limiting for cruising Lake Erie.
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2012, 03:03:53 PM »

Guys : Either you have touched bottom OR you don't leave the dock OR are lying!!

I've only had to be towed once in 25years and that was because I pivoted the wing in the wrong direction - toward shallower water (DUMB).  I've always had luck pivoting with power and getting unstuck myself.

I have ablative paint on the bottom, but the underside of the wing has HARD paint!!   A thought

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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 09:19:44 AM »

Remember that all boats are compromises. I am very happy with the extra cushion the wing keel gives when dropping the hook in a beautiful but shallow anchorage. The Long Island Sound runs very deep, but the rivers and inlets can be a problem. We love the wing.

Jerry Schilp
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Re: Wing Keels vs. Fin Keels
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 06:42:07 PM »

Most of my sailing is here on Green Bay and given the fact that somebody over in Michigan pulled the plug on Lake Huron/Michigan I'm very happy to be sailing with my wing keel.  With sand bars created by mother nature in our river I was made aware that I bought the only C34 Catalina made with the wing keel designed and supplied by CQR??? :cry4`

I agree with one thing, just use good situational awareness (I always seem to learn the hard way) but thinking back to the days on my C27 I could definitely wiggle through more with the fin.

I was so happy to find a 89 C34, you know, one of the couple years they had 3'10" draft vs 4'3"!!!!
Well when I hauled this fall and checked the shiny bottom of my wing I took a tape measure to my draft and measured 4'3"  Go figure, I must have accidentally stretched that tape, time for a new one.

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